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The Bellman
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Except that there's nothing in the area you indicated thta anyone found any of your quotes offensive.BigBen said:
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Lee Strobel's books are apologetics texts; Case for a Creator isn't a science book. You won't find out about actual science by reading that book; you'll get one side of an argument that isn't really about science at all. you'd be better off reading some actual science for nonspecialists, such as Bill Bryson's recent book "A Short History of Nearly Everything."
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Nathan Poe
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While we're at it, how is it that he needed 5 of those days just to make this planet, but *POOF*ed the rest of the universe in less than 1?knuckle50 said:
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My assessment of you.....knuckle50 said:
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Personally (and maybe I'm not completely understanding what's up for questioning here) but I do not believe the universe is 6000 years old. I think God has been creating things for an un-ending stretch back in time. The universe is not a "thing" to be created but simply consists of space. Is "space" created? Is Nothingness in itself something created? I don't believe so. The objects in that space were created at one time or another. Which leads us to "when were the stars/planets created"?
I don't think the Bible really says that the stars and the earth were created at the same time. Therefore if the age of the stars is millions of years old I don't think it conflicts with the Bible. I know that some ppl believe that certain texts say that everything was created at once but you can those texts in different ways.
I don't think the Bible really says that the stars and the earth were created at the same time. Therefore if the age of the stars is millions of years old I don't think it conflicts with the Bible. I know that some ppl believe that certain texts say that everything was created at once but you can those texts in different ways.
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As a scientist and a christian I have to concede the fact that Science cannot prove that there is a God. However, Science cannot prove that there is NOT a God. In this argument there are two extremes that both sides seem to hug. One one end you have the scientist who states that the universe came about gradually over a period of billions of years nad that everything is the way it is because of chance. The other end of the spectrum is that God snapped his fingers and *Poof* everything came into being and was created from nothing.
Both are wrong and are turning a blind eye to key evidences.
Where do you think Moses got the Creation story? He was not there when it happend. He must of recived it from God (who was) The process of creation (or organization which is a better translation) must be incredibaly complex. When God taught Moses about the creation he had to put it into terms that a man could understand. A mechanical engineer cannot describe the process of designing and building a combustion engine to a 4 year old without putting it in terms that he can understand. God was not teaching Moses "how to create a world" but he was recounting to him basically what happened. Some leeway can be given to the account.
1. Days may or may not have been specific 24 hour periods
2. The word "Created" is more literally translated from the Hebrew as (0rganized) which implies that the materials with which God organized the world and the universe for that matter may have already existed. (This would give and explaination for the apparent age of the planet, and would comply with the Law of conservation of matter)
3. To speculate on the process God used for creation is usless due to the fact that no explanation is given in the text.
4. Neither the Man of Faith nor the Man of Science knows everything. Both must concede to the fact that there is more to know than what we know now.
Both are wrong and are turning a blind eye to key evidences.
Where do you think Moses got the Creation story? He was not there when it happend. He must of recived it from God (who was) The process of creation (or organization which is a better translation) must be incredibaly complex. When God taught Moses about the creation he had to put it into terms that a man could understand. A mechanical engineer cannot describe the process of designing and building a combustion engine to a 4 year old without putting it in terms that he can understand. God was not teaching Moses "how to create a world" but he was recounting to him basically what happened. Some leeway can be given to the account.
1. Days may or may not have been specific 24 hour periods
2. The word "Created" is more literally translated from the Hebrew as (0rganized) which implies that the materials with which God organized the world and the universe for that matter may have already existed. (This would give and explaination for the apparent age of the planet, and would comply with the Law of conservation of matter)
3. To speculate on the process God used for creation is usless due to the fact that no explanation is given in the text.
4. Neither the Man of Faith nor the Man of Science knows everything. Both must concede to the fact that there is more to know than what we know now.
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Actually, space and time are interlinked and they were created at the time of the big bang. Since that time, space-time has been expanding outwards.JohnC said:
The evidence that supports the old age of the universe can also be used to give us an age for the the universe. It did have a starting point and by better understanding physics we might be able to come closer to answering this age old question. A good start is finding the most distant objects and using that to give us a minimum age.
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Freodin
Devout believer in a theologically different God
CRobertLee said:
If you really are a scientist, you should know that this statement is invalid.
As long as there is another reasonable explanation, the "must" is incorrect.
There is at least the explanation of "He made it up!" - and if you think that "Why would he have lied?" is a could counterargument for that: I can think of several explanations for that, as well as several other explanations for the origin of the "Creation story".
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Loudmouth said:
The "big bang" doesn't seem to be a logical answer to the universe starting. So once upon a time there was nothing... and then it exploded? Nothing exploded? OH ok so there was some gases involved.. where the heck did they come from if nothing was "created" yet? "space" was created by something exploding? There wouldn't be any space for something to explode in if the explosion hadn't "created" space yet.
The subject really confuses me a great deal.
Don't worry I actually am pretty open minded on the subject. Throw anything you want at me.. I don't have any set beliefs at the moment. There seems to evidence on both sides and so I maintain a neutral posistion for the time being.
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