The No true Scotsman Fallacy

[Hetta]

I rest my case, you disagree. Nothing to do with religion, it's person a disagreeing with person b.

No, it's bigger than that. It's religious group a disagreeing with religious group b. That's millions of people disagreeing with each other on major, fundamental matters. As a small example, some denominations believe that you haven't really been baptized unless you've been immersed. Other denominations believe that without baptism, a person cannot be a Christian. Yet another believes that music in church is sinful. And we're not even talking about the differences between what some churches within the same denomination believes, that differs from other churches within that denomination. At my son's wedding last week, my father in law was telling me how my mother in law was brought up to believe that ALL dancing was sinful. At 70+ years old, she still hesitated to dance with him at her grandson's wedding. Sad to spend all of your life fearing what is such a healthy and wholesome activity. (But then my mamman was a ballet dancer, so I would have a different outlook.)

 

[seekingsolace]

Yes, a person disagreeing with another person, in regards to religion.

Disagreements are individual, not constrained to a box. Your assertion "They do it out of necessity in most cases, a necessity in convincing themselves they have it right." is double edged. It is person A trying to prove person B wrong, and vice versa.

 

[seekingsolace]

No, it's bigger than that. It's religious group a disagreeing with religious group b. That's millions of people disagreeing with each other on major, fundamental matters.

So is atheism a religion then?

 

[Hetta]

So is atheism a religion then?

They say it is not, so I see no reason to disbelieve them.

 

[bhsmte]

Disagreements are individual, not constrained to a box. Your assertion "They do it out of necessity in most cases, a necessity in convincing themselves they have it right." is double edged. It is person A trying to prove person B wrong, and vice versa.

Yes indeed, person A trying to show person B has it all wrong and yet, both are adamant they have it right.

 

[bhsmte]

So is atheism a religion then?

Look up the definition of "religion" if you feel a non belief in a God is a religion, then go ahead and call it a religion.

 

[seekingsolace]

Yes indeed, person A trying to show person B has it all wrong and yet, both are adamant they have it right.

Indeed, individuals.

 

[seekingsolace]

Look up the definition of "religion" if you feel a non belief in a God is a religion, then go ahead and call it a religion.

No need, Person A believes one thing, person B believes another.
Humans are the platform for disagreement.

 

[Red Fox]

Hmmm, on another thread I have posted on, a Christian is defending white supremacism. Sigh.

With all the experiences I have had in the past with white supremacists and the ones who were inside the church, this doesn't surprise me at all.

 

[Hetta]

Indeed, individuals.

Are you saying that the differences between the Catholic and Protestant faiths are "individuals"? Or institutions?

 

[seekingsolace]

Are you saying that the differences between the Catholic and Protestant faiths are "individuals"? Or institutions?

Individual, each person chooses to accept or reject that belief.

If you become a vegetarian, that's your choice, not the vegetables.

 

[Red Fox]

WE don't declare that someone is or isn't Christian.

You're mistaken, because I was told I wasn't Christian many times and I've heard Christians telling other Christians they weren't Christian. I've also seen this done many times before right here on this site. So, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here, Christians definitely go after other Christians and claim they're not Christian.

 

[Hetta]

Individual, each person chooses to accept or reject that belief.

That's a deliberate misconstrual of reality. Those institutions have specific beliefs that differ from each other, just as denominations within Protestantism have different specific beliefs.

 

[seekingsolace]

You're mistaken, because I was told I wasn't Christian many times, I have heard Christians tell other Christians they weren't Christians, and besides, I have seen that done many times right here on this site too.

It's more an expression of opinion, this happens both sides. If you claim to be clinically sane, but are smearing feces over yourself, I'm going to have my suspicions.

 

[bhsmte]

You're mistaken, because I was told I wasn't Christian many times and I've heard Christians telling other Christians they weren't Christian. I've also seen this done many times before right here on this site. So, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here, Christians definitely go after other Christians and claim they're not Christian.

Indeed.

Even a blind man could agree with what you state above.

 

[Red Fox]

That's a deliberate misconstrual of reality. Those institutions have specific beliefs that differ from each other, just as denominations within Protestantism have different specific beliefs.

Agreed.

 

[Hammster]

Well, doesn't address the question I posed, but that's ok.

In the end, everyone on earth believes wrongly, according to groups of people who hold up their theology, as the correct belief.

As long as there is religion, this reality will never change.

It did address your question. Maybe it just didn't give you the answer you were looking for.

 

[seekingsolace]

That's a deliberate misconstrual of reality. Those institutions have specific beliefs that differ from each other, just as denominations within Protestantism have different specific beliefs.

Those institutions are made up of 'individuals' who align with it. That's reality. I'll refer you back to the vegetables.

 

[Hammster]

This, so much.

Do you believe wrongly?

 

[bhsmte]

No need, Person A believes one thing, person B believes another.
Humans are the platform for disagreement.

Yes, you need two humans to have a disagreement.

The fact is, it is humans who developed the theology, humans have disagreement over.