The Nicene Creed

[Christy4Christ]

Just checking....


Do you guys believe everything that is said here?



The Nicene Creed
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

 

[Christy4Christ]

Maybe other than the Catholic thing but that really means universal...Like it is really about the Apostolic church.

 

[iitb]

I realize that you meant no harm in this post, but honestly, we get one of these "do you believe the Nicene Creed?" threads about once a month, and I'm getting a little tired of it. Nobody else in the congregation area gets grilled on this issue like we do. It's a bit annoying, really.

 

[ShirChadash]

Honest to pete already.

 

[Christy4Christ]

I asked for a reason. I have a thread going in GA and need to know which sects of followers believe in the creed. I am sorry, maybe I should have made that more clear.

 

[Sephania]

Christy, what do you mean by "sects of followers"

 

[visionary]

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
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No I do not

 

[visionary]

With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
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Where does it say to worship the Holy Spirit.

 

[Christy4Christ]

Christy, what do you mean by "sects of followers"

ACK! I am getting in deeper! I don't want to say "Christians" because maybe that would be an insult to you guys so thats just the term I used. I guess I meant sects of followers as in people who follow Christ



I asked this for an educational purpose, please don't get upset with me. This was an innocent question. I know you get trolls and such but that is not my intention. I just wanted a simple answer and I am certainly not here to debate the creed.

 

[visionary]

What is incarnate?
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he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,

 

[Christy4Christ]

What is incarnate?
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he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,

Please see my post above yours. I am not here to debate this or even try to explain it, this was a simple yes or no question.

 

[visionary]

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
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Baptism...you mean that little cross of water on the forehead by the priest?
Baptism as in that which Jesus had when John the Baptist baptised him?

 

[Christy4Christ]

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
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Baptism...you mean that little cross of water on the forehead by the priest?
Baptism as in that which Jesus had when John the Baptist baptised him?

Don't you think you are being a little rude at this point? I asked a simple question and I am being attacked. Is this fair guys? I have already explained my intention. You are not being very charitable right now are you?

 

[Christy4Christ]

I get your point, thank you so much for your kind answer. I am sorry to have bothered you.

 

[ShirChadash]

visionary... could ya stand down a bit?



Christy, yes most Messianics do in fact agree with the Nicene creed as far as I know. Some may understand the ins-and-outs of the portions of the creed differently from others. Semantics seems to play a part in there.
You know these things after spending time with us, don't you, Luv? Why the need to ask?

(btw I don't have a problem with the question now that I know where it came from -- ie the GA threads etc. It's the constant asking from the Trolls and from the misinformation being spread around that get to me. But I know you aren't like that Christy -- forgive me for being hasty with my other post I do have to ask though -- as above here -- why did you need to ask after being with us here so much? I just figured you would already know.)

 

[visionary]

You asked us what we believe...I am a gentile here so think not that you are talking to Messianic Judaism .....But since you asked.... I am asking for clarification...... what do you mean...what does the Nicene Creed mean?

In what context is this question to be answered?



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Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Matthew 20:22
But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
Matthew 20:23
And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Matthew 21:25
The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
Mark 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mark 10:38
But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?
Mark 10:39
And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
Mark 11:30
The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me.
Luke 3:3
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
Luke 7:29
And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
Luke 12:50
But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
Luke 20:4
The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?
Acts 1:22
Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
Acts 10:37
That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
Acts 13:24
When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Acts 18:25
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
Acts 19:3
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Acts 19:4
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Hebrews 6:2
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

By the way I did not find a biblical text that stated that baptism was for forgivenes...I did find that it is representative of being buried with Him, and it is a baptism of repentence

Do not be offended by the questions, we are serious about the depths of the Word of God. We are serious about the relationship with Yeshua, and want to make sure that we are speaking the same language.

Visionary

 

[Christy4Christ]

visionary... could ya stand down a bit?



Christy, yes most Messianics do in fact agree with the Nicene creed as far as I know. Some may understand the ins-and-outs of the portions of the creed differently from others. Semantics seems to play a part in there.
You know these things after spending time with us, don't you, Luv? Why the need to ask?

I was looking for the official stance, I didn't want to make a claim in my thread that is unfounded or incorrect. I made a statement that most Christians agree with the Nicene Creed. (Visionary those comments were truly uncalled for and I am so hurt right now that you felt the need to address me in that way. I do not ever recall doing anything to you to warrant that treatment)

 

[visionary]

visionary... could ya stand down a bit?



Christy, yes most Messianics do in fact agree with the Nicene creed as far as I know. Some may understand the ins-and-outs of the portions of the creed differently from others. Semantics seems to play a part in there.
You know these things after spending time with us, don't you, Luv? Why the need to ask?

(btw I don't have a problem with the question now that I know where it came from -- ie the GA threads etc. It's the constant asking from the Trolls and from the misinformation being spread around that get to me. But I know you aren't like that Christy -- forgive me for being hasty with my other post I do have to ask though -- as above here -- why did you need to ask after being with us here so much? I just figured you would already know.)

I will stand down....

 

[ShirChadash]

I will stand down....

Well, I'm sure I spoke out of turn vision. I just didn't think Christy meant to start a long debate thread over the semantics and application, or how individuals understand the creed to read or be in effect... My apologies if I stepped on your or anyone's toes.

Christy... I don't know that there is any one official stance on many things in MJ...

But I do think that the majority of MJ's agree with the Creed... however again, maybe the way we would "read" and understand the ins and outs of it might be differing.



*shutting up now so the knowledgeable people can get a word in...*

 

[iitb]

visionary... could ya stand down a bit?



Christy, yes most Messianics do in fact agree with the Nicene creed as far as I know. Some may understand the ins-and-outs of the portions of the creed differently from others. Semantics seems to play a part in there.
You know these things after spending time with us, don't you, Luv? Why the need to ask?

Zemirah's answer is correct.

You have my sincere apologies if you felt attacked, but in the year that I've been at CF I can't recall this question ever being asked by someone who didn't have an agenda of some sort against us. As a result, it sends up a "red flag" for pretty much every one of our regular members. The last time it was asked, it was by someone looking for enough dirt to have us booted off of CF.

I have no doubt that you didn't mean any harm, but you've unintentionally started a thread that picks at wounds that have yet to heal.