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The new red herring from ICR

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gluadys

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Seems the new red herring from ICR is "equivocal" vs. "unequivocal" beneficial mutations.

http://www.icr.org/article/3466/

According to the article "unequivocally beneficial mutations are nonexistent in nature."

Of course, their examples are such things as bacteria which have developed anti-biotic resistance being less fit than other bacteria when the anti-biotic is no longer part of the environment.

If being less fit in a different environment qualifies a mutation as being only "equivocally beneficial" why is it a surprise that all beneficial mutations are equivocally beneficial? What are they looking for, a mutation that would be beneficial in all possible environments? How would such a mutation be selected since selection is a function of the local environment?

What gets me even more than the newest jargon is the sad repetition of arguments that should long ago have been abandoned. Shades of mark kennedy, he even uses the fact of genetically linked diseases as a supposed refutation of evolution. He repeats the fallacy that evolution is a program of improvement and even suggests that deleterious mutations will accumulate along with beneficial ones, thus wiping out the benefit of the latter. How can someone so completely misunderstand natural selection?
 

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Not to mention the fact the author is an M.D.

This newest spin seems to follow old patterns of partitioning off defensible boundaries. First there was the argument that evolution was not possible, but when that became indefensible, the terms micro-evolution and macro-evolution came into play. Ditto with historical vs. operational science.

It seems to be more circling of the wagons to me, and I take it as progress that they are now admitting beneficial mutations, even with all their caveats. However, refutations will also become more tedious with a doubling of arguments to refute:

Creationist: Well, what about macro-evolutionary operationally scientific equivocally beneficial mutations?

Creationist: Well, what about micro-evolutionary historically scientific unequivocally beneficial mutations?

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ad nauseum

Edit: If you can't beat them with science and facts, beat them with semantics!
 
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Not only is this red herring theoretically inaccurate, it's factually inaccurate, too!

ICR thinks:


Medical science reveals:


(emphasis added) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...t_uids=9332013

Sucks to be on the wrong side of biological reality, no?

And busterdog, if:

Well, apparently most of DNA is junk, meaning we don't know what it does, but we know for sure when a "mutation" is a "random" change. Yeah. I am not buying it.

why don't you ask people who actually know how scientists showed that mutations are random. The shock! Evolutionists actually test some things they say! You could, say, google the Lederberg experiments to start with.
 
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I don't think it's possible to change anything without having some sort of negative effect. The idea in creationist circles seems to be that evolution can only progress on 100% benifical mutations. This is of course false.

Take the evolution of reptiles for example. In order to become as good on land as they are now reptiles had to lose a lot of the things that made amphibians good in water. It's the same the way humans can't climb trees as well as other primates, flying birds can't run as fast as theropods and eukaryotes can't breed as fast as prokaryotes.

Though there have been benificial mutations that are hard to find negative effects for, such as those after a gene duplication.
 
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