The New New Mass

[Joshua G.]

Fantine. In think in 1 year's time you will see and even admit that your concerns here, while understandable due to the unfortunate history you had to endure as a child, were over the top and mostly emotional and that this was not all nearly as terrible or giantly backward as you are feeling it is at the moment. I am sure we both hope I am right even if one of us are convinced otherwise.

Josh

 

[whitetiger1]

We should meet here in one year

 

[MoNiCa4316]

I think it's good to keep in mind that Vatican II was not a dogmatic council, it didn't define any doctrine..

also I think in this time in particular, it's important to bring back a sense of sin. Mostly, our society has lost that... sin is no longer believed in.. that is a tragedy, because if we don't know that we have sinned, how would we ever come back to God? Knowing about sin is simply knowing about the reality

Fantine, I don't think that pre-VII was all about "keeping distant from God". I know that you believe this. But I mostly read "old" spiritual books.. and the type of prayers that they have, the emphasis on trusting God, frequent Confession, the Sacred Heart devotion, etc... is basically the opposite of God being distant. There's so much about being very close to Him. But we can't be truly close to God if we're in sin.. and so we repent, and ask for forgiveness, with contrition, and ask Our Lady and the Saints for their prayers because their prayers are powerful. There have been many times when I was unable to repent of something without Mother Mary's help. We are not alone here.. we are part of the Body of Christ which is in Heaven also.

 

[Fantine]

Fantine. In think in 1 year's time you will see and even admit that your concerns here, while understandable due to the unfortunate history you had to endure as a child, were over the top and mostly emotional and that this was not all nearly as terrible or giantly backward as you are feeling it is at the moment. I am sure we both hope I am right even if one of us are convinced otherwise.

Josh

I don't think that I got more of a dose of Catholic guilt than any other children growing up in the 50's and 60's. That was just the way it was--backward, insensitive, counterproductive.

I won't let this regressive language interfere with my own feelings about wholeness and healing and positive change. But, like many of you, I have children who are in a spiritual hibernation so typical of young people today. I would like them to give Catholicism another chance, as I did when I was 31 or 32 or so, but the further it regresses the more unlikely I think it will be that they find their spiritual home there.

I was fortunate to leave a church while people were complaining about the changes (1967) and to return to a parish that fully embraced them (1980.) Yes, I did have to change parishes once to find the fully embracing parish, but it was there, less than two miles away.

I returned to a better church than the church I had left, but they went into the spiritual hibernation when the church was better than it is today.

It's really sad.

 

[AMDG]

regressive language

You mean "accurate translation".

 

[MoNiCa4316]

I think that there is only healing possible when we realize the reality of sin....