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"disingenuousness" If I post scripture, do you not go to commentary, before you respond, if you have a question? Link to come.I responded because you took a snippet out of context. The disingenuousness of the post needed addressing.
Really? Can you provide a link to what that is? I can’t find it on Google.RCC not the Roman Catholic Church.. RCC the Reformed Collective Counsel. If you don't use this term, I apologize. I have had many reformed friends that do.
I still have seen no evidence that you understand what Sola Scriptura means.I say HRCC for Holy Roman Catholic Church. Communication error. Miscommunication. Take the Debate points in this matter. There's more to be discussed.
Where does scripture say it’s the most important verse?John 5:39 is the single most important scripture in all of the Bible. Why? What is it saying?
This has nothing to do with your assertion that Calvin is the origin of Calvinism.Are you comfortable with this quote?
“I am persuaded that it is not without the special will of God that, apart from any verdict of the judges, the criminals have endured protracted torment at the hands of the executioner.” - Calvin's letter to Farel on 24 July read Selected Works of John Calvin)
ContextIf I write to you so seldom respecting the state of our city, impute the cause to the slowness of those who ought to furnish me with matter for writing, rather than to my indolence. For while the time is spun out by their dilatory progress, I am ashamed to write to you that nothing has as yet been done. How wickedly at their death the two brothers attempted to throw obscurity on the affair, you have no doubt heard in your part of the world. It is well, however, that their malice was evident to every body, unless any one chose to be voluntarily blind. And assuredly I am convinced that not without the judgment of God they suffered, contrary to the sentence of the judges, a long torture under the hand of the executioner. Now, those who are kept in fetters have pretty clearly revealed their misdeeds, though these also grossly mislead their judges. Claude Noth, who you know was the bosom friend of Perrin, has laid bare the criminal and atrocious conspiracy which had not yet been thoroughly known. The younger Berthelier does not deny that he threw the stone by which a man was knocked down. But then both of them attempt to varnish over every thing with the most puerile shuffling. Before two days we shall see, I hope, what the rack will wring from them. Moreover, lest the absence of so many citizens should depopulate the city, as the run-aways kept saying in derision, Vandel has been summoned back by the town crier, together with a numerous band.
No, because it's a discussion thing. To refer to the "Reformed Body", many of my Calvinist friends would just lazy write RCC. I corrected them and they would say "Reformed Collective Counsel"... and I started typing HRCC to refer to Roman Catholics. You have this debate point. It was a colloquial thing.Really? Can you provide a link to what that is? I can’t find it on Google.
No, I don’t, actually. I don’t find your arguments to be that deep."disingenuousness" If I post scripture, do you not go to commentary, before you respond, if you have a question? Link to come.
This has nothing to do with your assertion that Calvin is the origin of Calvinism.
I'm not asking to be seen as intelligent. Could you please explain what John 5:39 is saying?No, I don’t, actually. I don’t find your arguments to be that deep.
I’ve been on here for 17 years. I have interacted with Calvinists and non-Calvinists during most of that time. I have never once heard a reformed brother use “RCC” to mean anything other than the Catholic Church. And you are saying you have many friends that use RCC, yet I cannot find that anywhere on the internet?No, because it's a discussion thing. To refer to the "Reformed Body", many of my Calvinist friends would just lazy write RCC. I corrected them and they would say "Reformed Collective Counsel"... and I started typing HRCC to refer to Roman Catholics. You have this debate point. It was a colloquial thing.
I responded to you assertion that Calvin is the origin of Calvinism. It appears you are deflecting.Calvinism Christianity
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No, that would be commentary. You are against commentary.I'm not asking to be seen as intelligent. Could you please explain what John 5:39 is saying?
It wasn't here. May I now employ the usage of sarcastic response, with your guarantee that it is acceptable to follow your debate example?I’ve been on here for 17 years. I have interacted with Calvinists and non-Calvinists during most of that time. I have never once heard a reformed brother use “RCC” to mean anything other than the Catholic Church. And you are saying you have many friends that use RCC, yet I cannot find that anywhere on the internet?
Mkay.
Commentary is writ that is extra biblical, that has been widely distributed as Brick and Mortar central doctrine, which is not Canon. It can come in PDF, Leather bound, Paper back, and may not be central to church doctrine, but based on central church doctrine. I will give a live example. Edit, example given in lower quote of this post.No, that would be commentary. You are against commentary.
I don't want to be misunderstood as saying something that is unmotivated. You are the OP and have identified one of my debate style nomenclatures. I am attempting to continue dialogue by identifying the technique that is stalling effective dialogue.That’s a Socratic question. Thats teaching.
It’s so clear that God used Satan to test Job that virtually all theologians, regardless of their bent, agree. Wesley and Gill and Henry and Barnes and Clarke all agree.
Are you certain that you know what it means? "Sola scriptura is a Latin phrase that means "by scripture alone" or "scripture alone". It is a key slogan of the Protestant Reformation, which used the phrase against the Roman Catholic church in the 16th century. The phrase means that the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith and practice."I still have seen no evidence that you understand what Sola Scriptura means.
If I explained the meaning, it would be extra-biblical.Commentary is writ that is extra biblical, that has been widely distributed as Brick and Mortar central doctrine, which is not Canon. It can come in PDF, Leather bound, Paper back, and may not be central to church doctrine, but based on central church doctrine. I will give a live example. Edit, example given in lower quote of this post.
No. It goes against what you believe to be proper teaching/learning.I don't want to be misunderstood as saying something that is unmotivated. You are the OP and have identified one of my debate style nomenclatures. I am attempting to continue dialogue by identifying the technique that is stalling effective dialogue.
This is discussion. Sophistry is humorous, cynical and sarcastic, but all humor aside, would you be willing to explain what John 5:39 is saying?
John Wesley, John Gill, Matthew Henry, Albert Barnes, Adam ClarkeWould you kindly share the full names of these theologians?
Close. It’s the ultimate authority. Every other authority is subject to scripture.Are you certain that you know what it means? "Sola scriptura is a Latin phrase that means "by scripture alone" or "scripture alone". It is a key slogan of the Protestant Reformation, which used the phrase against the Roman Catholic church in the 16th century. The phrase means that the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith and practice."
Discussion is not Adhering to Extra Biblical writings that shape millions of minds of Christ away from Christ's precepts.If I explained the meaning, it would be extra-biblical.
My above reply is sufficient.No. It goes against what you believe to be proper teaching/learning.
Wesley: Wesley maintained that the monergistic reading (that is, the work of God alone) in one sense is accurate.John Wesley, John Gill, Matthew Henry, Albert Barnes, Adam Clarke
It was intended to mean Canon only. Luther accused the HRCC of using Papal infallibility and proceeding Papal writings, which he argued against the HRCC on those matters and demanded that only Canon be used. The proceeding events even led to redefining books that were Deuterocanonical and included in Paul's Septuagint, and quoted by Jesus and the Apostles in several places as Apocryphal (false).Close. It’s the ultimate authority. Every other authority is subject to scripture.
If you don't understand what John 5:39 means, I apologize for asking the uncomfortable question about what it means. Maybe you do understand it. I'm not sure. I was just hoping you could state what Jesus is saying in John 5:39, by your personal understanding, through the Holy Spirit, in reference to the passage.Close. It’s the ultimate authority. Every other authority is subject to scripture.
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