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Hi There,

Just raising the issue of the meaning of Yah.

Is this a title that should be more widely acknowledged and used.

We see it having prominence in Revelation yet in modern time there is little or no usage of the term.

Yah would seem to be more specific than Lord so why don't we use the term ?
 

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Hi There,

Just raising the issue of the meaning of Yah.

Is this a title that should be more widely acknowledged and used.

We see it having prominence in Revelation yet in modern time there is little or no usage of the term.

Yah would seem to be more specific than Lord so why don't we use the term ?
The Greek Septuagint largely influenced the practice of using the Greek word Kyrios in place of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton, in the writing of the New Testament.
 
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The Greek Septuagint largely influenced the practice of using the Greek word Kyrios in place of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton, in the writing of the New Testament.
Agree, it is my assessment that this practice (and taken up by virtually all other translations who followed the LXX in this) has caused most Christians to forget what even the name of the one God is in the first place. Many would even incorrectly think that 'Jesus' is Gods new name.
 
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Yah would seem to be more specific than Lord so why don't we use the term ?
Because its the way God was named by the ancient Israel. The name is not used in the New Testament even once. Christians focused on the name of Jesus Christ since the first days.
 
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Agree, it is my assessment that this practice (and taken up by virtually all other translations who followed the LXX in this) has caused most Christians to forget what even the name of the one God is in the first place. Many would even incorrectly think that 'Jesus' is Gods new name.

Yet in John 17 Jesus says The Father gave Him the name Yeshua which was the Fathers Name (among other names)


Revelation 19:6
Then I heard something like the voice of a great multitude and like the sound of many waters, and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns.

So there you have the Name YAH in the NT...
 
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Yet in John 17 Jesus says The Father gave Him the name Yeshua which was the Fathers Name (among other names)


Revelation 19:6
Then I heard something like the voice of a great multitude and like the sound of many waters, and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns.

So there you have the Name YAH in the NT...
Your interpretation of John 17:11 surprised me; I'm not aware of any Church Father or theologian at any stage in church history who has argued that 'Yeshua' was a name of God the Father (but maybe I'm overlooking something).

The name of the one God in the TNK/OT has always been the Tetragrammaton / YHWH - that's one of the foundations of the whole Bible. Yeshua Himself and all Jewish Apostles and New Covenant book writers would have subscribed to that view as well.

John 17:11 has a textual variation between the Textus Receptus and the Nestle-Aland 28, that shows a difference in what the last instance 'name' in the verse should refer to; and this textual variance is reflected in the substantial difference in English translation between e.g. the NKJV and the NASB ('N': Nestle-Aland, R: 'Textus Receptus'):

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As you can see on the last line (lower left); NA has a singular G3739, but R has a plural G3739 - causing the interpretation to alternate between e.g.:

John 17:11 - New King James Version
Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.​

John 17:11 - New American Standard Bible
I am no longer going to be in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I am coming to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, so that they may be one just as We are.​

The same variation also exists for the next verse John 17:12.

But still in case we go for the singular variation and interpret John 17:11 as God the Father giving a name to Yeshua - I would not take that to be the name Yeshua itself, as that name was simply given by his legal father Joseph (on instruction by the angel Gabriel to Mary). It seems rather logical to interpret the name giving along the lines of Philippians 2:9 and Hebrews 1:4 where it refers to 'bestowing/inheriting' some superior name; in other words - God the Father is bestowing his name YHWH as some kind of honorary name/title to Yeshua. In effect, the other way around.

Yeshua is not a unique name - it was very common in the 1st century CE and nowadays still is in e.g. Spain; it seems counter-intuitive to label that the 'name above every other name'. YHWH on the other hand is unique in absolute sense; yet as the Holy One of God, His Son, His Messiah, it makes sense to carry this bestowed/inherited name.

Be blessed ...

@Carl Emerson : I seem to remember you followed the case of Thorben Sondergaard of 'The Last Reformation' - have you seen their latest video detailing the course of events ? (TLR)
 
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Hi There,

Just raising the issue of the meaning of Yah.

Is this a title that should be more widely acknowledged and used.

We see it having prominence in Revelation yet in modern time there is little or no usage of the term.

Yah would seem to be more specific than Lord so why don't we use the term ?

Yah is the poetic form of the Tetragrammaton, YHWH/YHVH.

As for the meaning of the Tetragrammaton, the best hypothesis that I am aware of is that it is a nominal form of the Hebrew verb 'ehyeh. When God spoke to Moses in the burning bush, He said 'ehyeh asher 'ehyeh. We usually translate that as "I am that I am". The Hebrew verb 'ehyeh means "I am" or "I will be" If YHVH is the nominal form, then the Name means something like "He that is" or "The One that Is", or something to that effect.

We use the poetic form, Yah, quite frequently. Whenever we say Hallelujah we are using the poetic form of the Sacred Name, as Hallelujah (and its other forms, such as Alleluia) comes from the Hebrew hallelu-Yah, "Praise Yah!".

As to why we don't more regularly use the Tetragrammaton or its poetical form "Yah", that comes down to the fact that these were not retained in regular use. Christianity adopted standard Jewish worship forms, including using "Lord" in place of the Tetragrammaton. This is what we see in the Septuagint, it's what we see in the New Testament, it's what we see in regular usage throughout the world from the time of Jesus and the Apostles until today.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Your interpretation of John 17:11 surprised me; I'm not aware of any Church Father or theologian at any stage in church history who has argued that 'Yeshua' was a name of God the Father (but maybe I'm overlooking something).

I have come to believe that Jesus was given the Father's Name according to John 17:

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You; 8 for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me. 9 I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; 10 and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them. 11 I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. 12 While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

So rocking the boat - I now believe 'Jesus' is in fact the Father's Name. (happy to be corrected.)

Regarding the passage in John 17 above - in my view this does not imply that we all end up with the same status as the Father and the Christ - this is not a conclusion I have made.

Looking at the passage carefully there are two distinct unities spoken of.

First the unity between the Father and the Son, Second the unity between the Son and His Body of believers.
Consider the difference - the risen Christ shares the Omniscience with the Father. He sees every detail of the Glory of God in totality. That unity of understanding is only experienced in the Trinity.

But for us, that is not the case. - a delight in our resurrected state is to enjoy the ongoing appreciation of His Glory like the 24 elders who have been bowing before the throne in eternity - looking up and seeing more of His Glory and bowing down again and again and again for eternity.

So for us in the unity of the Son - ongoing revelation of His Glory in eternity
For Him in the unity of the Father - full Knowledge of all of His Glory since His ascension.

Now the issue of recognising the Name of the Father given to the Son is a different issue that is rarely discussed.

We worship the "God Who Saves" - Yehoshua in the Hebrew, the Name He gave to the Son - the Name above every name. In English the Name of Jesus.

That does not make us equal to God, in case anyone claims it does.

The Father and Jesus are One...

And always were...

what is the boundless greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might 20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and made Him head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all. (Eph 1)

8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death on a cross. 9 For this reason also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth (Phil 2)

Jesus = Heb. Yeshua which comes from the Hebrew Yehoshua and simply means 'God delivers'.

This is the Name above every name.
 
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Hi There,

Just raising the issue of the meaning of Yah.

Is this a title that should be more widely acknowledged and used.

We see it having prominence in Revelation yet in modern time there is little or no usage of the term.

Yah would seem to be more specific than Lord so why don't we use the term ?
Do you think it would improve our chances of being right?
 
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Using the right name and seeing the ultimate authority available in the Name of Jesus is right.
Do you think it makes you right if you define the "right" Jesus? Is that a requirement of salvation, to have an accurate spell check and pronunciation? Does this force God to be impressed with your position?
 
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Do you think it makes you right if you define the "right" Jesus? Is that a requirement of salvation, to have an accurate spell check and pronunciation? Does this force God to be impressed with your position?

Of course not...
 
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Yah would seem to be more specific than Lord so why don't we use the term ?
Because its the way God was named by the ancient Israel. The name is not used in the New Testament even once. Christians focused on the name of Jesus Christ since the first days.

Actually, the Israelites did not name God. God told the ancient Israelites what his name was...

Exodus 6:3... and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, Yahweh, I was not known to them.

And God said that would be his name forever...

Psalm 113:2... May the name of Yahweh be blessed From now until forever.

The Tetragrammaton is not used in the English New Testament because the Tetragrammaton is a Hebrew word.

Just as God is not called Kyrios in the English New Testament because Kyrios is a Greek word.

So...

What is God's name in a Hebrew New Testament?

I say... יְהוֹה
 
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God's name is the Name He gave to Jesus...

John 17:

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"Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me...

12
"While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me...

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"I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known...

Matthew 1:21
She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”

John 5:43
I have come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me...

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 3:6
But Peter said, “I have no silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk!”

Acts 3:16
And his name—by faith in his name—has made this man strong whom you see and know, and the faith that is through Jesus has given the man this perfect health in the presence of you all.

Acts 4:10
let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well.
 
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Yah would seem to be more specific than Lord so why don't we use the term ?

That baffles me as well.

I understand why non-Christian Jews don’t refer to God by name.

But I do not understand why Christians who have a personal relationship with God don’t refer to him by name.

Here is a summary of what I believe…

Yah God is solitary, created the universe alone. (Psalm 68:18, Isaiah 44:24)
Yah is omnipresent inside and outside the universe. (Deuteronomy 4:39, Psalm 139:7-10)
Yah inside the universe is called the Spirit of God. (Genesis 1:2)
Yah outside the universe is called God the Father. (Matthew 5:6, 6:9, 7:21)
Yah incarnate with an immortal body is called the Son of God / the Word. (Daniel 3:25, Revelation 19:13)
Yah incarnate with a mortal body is called the Son of God / the man Christ Jesus. (1 Timothy 2:5, Romans 5:15)
Yah and Christ Jesus are the same individual. (John 8:58, Isaiah 62:11)
Christ Jesus is Yah Himself incarnate. (Isaiah 12:2, 1 Kings 8:60, Matthew 1:23, 1 Timothy 3:16)
The Word in John 1:1 is exactly the same form as the Word in Revelation 19:13. (John 1:1, Philippians 2:7, John 17:5, Revelation 19:13)
The man Christ Jesus was the Word with a mortal body for 33+ years. (John 1:14, Luke 3:23, 1 Thessalonians 4:14)
 
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