the myth of flat earth debunked again

[sjastro]

I posed these questions to flat earthers involving telescopes in another forum and got no response so I will try here.

The telescope is mounted on a clock driven equatorial fork mount to track the apparent motion of stars.
To work properly the polar axis passing through the arm of the mount must be aligned to the Earth's axis of rotation.
When the telescope is pointed straight up the declination reading illustrated must correspond to the latitude at where the telescope is located.

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In this case the latitude is -37⁰ 45’.

For your flat model to represent reality you need to answer the following questions.

(1) Explain how the mount polar axis works in a flat earth model; what are you aligning the mount's polar axis to?
(2) Explain how pointing the telescope straight up gives the latitude at where the telescope is located on the Earth's surface.
If the Earth is flat this value will be the same anywhere on the surface.
(3) Explain why does the mount require to be clock driven which rotates the telescope around the polar axis of the mount when you claim Earth doesn't rotate.
A flat Earth with a rotating sky like the Ptolemaic model would make it impossible for a clock driven equatorial mount to track the stars.

It's over to you to explain how the mount can work in a flat Earth model; references to the Bible are not answers.

 

[prodromos]

I posed these questions to flat earthers involving telescopes in another forum and got no response so I will try here.

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The telescope is mounted on a clock driven equatorial fork mount to track the apparent motion of stars.
To work properly the polar axis passing through the arm of the mount must be aligned to the Earth's axis of rotation.
When the telescope is pointed straight up the declination reading illustrated must correspond to the latitude at where the telescope is located.

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In this case the latitude is -37⁰ 45’.

For your flat model to represent reality you need to answer the following questions.

(1) Explain how the mount polar axis works in a flat earth model; what are you aligning the mount's polar axis to?
(2) Explain how pointing the telescope straight up gives the latitude at where the telescope is located on the Earth's surface.
If the Earth is flat this value will be the same anywhere on the surface.
(3) Explain why does the mount require to be clock driven which rotates the telescope around the polar axis of the mount when you claim Earth doesn't rotate.
A flat Earth with a rotating sky like the Ptolemaic model would make it impossible for a clock driven equatorial mount to track the stars.

It's over to you to explain how the mount can work in a flat Earth model; references to the Bible are not answers.

Works exactly the same way in the Southern Hemisphere, except that the clock motor runs in reverse.

 

[Phil G]

I posed these questions to flat earthers involving telescopes in another forum and got no response so I will try here.

View attachment 344684​

The telescope is mounted on a clock driven equatorial fork mount to track the apparent motion of stars.
To work properly the polar axis passing through the arm of the mount must be aligned to the Earth's axis of rotation.
When the telescope is pointed straight up the declination reading illustrated must correspond to the latitude at where the telescope is located.

View attachment 344685
​

In this case the latitude is -37⁰ 45’.

For your flat model to represent reality you need to answer the following questions.

(1) Explain how the mount polar axis works in a flat earth model; what are you aligning the mount's polar axis to?
(2) Explain how pointing the telescope straight up gives the latitude at where the telescope is located on the Earth's surface.
If the Earth is flat this value will be the same anywhere on the surface.
(3) Explain why does the mount require to be clock driven which rotates the telescope around the polar axis of the mount when you claim Earth doesn't rotate.
A flat Earth with a rotating sky like the Ptolemaic model would make it impossible for a clock driven equatorial mount to track the stars.

It's over to you to explain how the mount can work in a flat Earth model; references to the Bible are not answers.

You won't get any logical answers to this from FE believers because most of them don't seem to understand how an equatorial telescope mount works. And those that do understand how it works will either stay quiet or insist on answering with irrelevant gobbledygook that only they can 'understand'!

 

[Astrid]

Must be closer than 3 miles

Lucretius wrote if the Roman be.ief in his day,
that the sun and mo further away than they appear to be.

 

[AG_BIC96]

Why are Athiest on a Christian Forum to begin with not all athiest but a large portion are so conniving rude and miserable people. Why come on this platform to debate people and spread negativity. Or do you congregate here to just be disagreeable and give each other a good old pat on the back? What does it do for you really to be a miserable skeptic and bash Christianity?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Why come on this platform to debate people

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That's what the platform is for.

What does it do for you really to be a miserable skeptic and bash Christianity?

I'm a cheerful skeptic here to debate pseudoscience like creationism and the flat earth. If these hypotheses crumble under the light of evidence and reason, so much the worse for them.

 

[Tinker Grey]

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That's what the platform is for.


I'm a cheerful skeptic here to debate pseudoscience like creationism and the flat earth. If these hypotheses crumble under the light of evidence and reason, so much the worse for them.

Have a pat on the back!

 

[sjastro]

Why are Athiest on a Christian Forum to begin with not all athiest but a large portion are so conniving rude and miserable people. Why come on this platform to debate people and spread negativity. Or do you congregate here to just be disagreeable and give each other a good old pat on the back? What does it do for you really to be a miserable skeptic and bash Christianity?

I consider myself a Christian but I have been labelled a satanist, a crook, a phony Christian and few other 'compliments'; on top of this my sister should burn in hell.
The commentary came from fellow Christians, I find the atheists in this forum are far more accepting for who I am.

Unfortunately there are a quite a few Christians who have the mentality of not only being unable to respectively disagree, but have a binary approach, you are either with them or against them particularly when it comes to science which is seen as the root of all evil.

 

[AG_BIC96]

• Forums - Discussion and Debate - Discussion and Debate

That's what the platform is for.


I'm a cheerful skeptic here to debate pseudoscience like creationism and the flat earth. If these hypotheses crumble under the light of evidence and reason, so much the worse for them.

Don't lie you know what some of you do when faced with different opinions. Resort to tearing people apart and name calling. I can't judge you individually but certainly people in your community are prone to that, Why be associated with those people? If you are a true skeptic then you wouldn't have made up your mind already about something which many of you have. So many of you are challenging others ideas with the intent of being biased against said people. Are you not aware of that? Why even be associated with people who do that?

 

[SelfSim]

Why are Athiest on a Christian Forum to begin with not all athiest but a large portion are so conniving rude and miserable people. Why come on this platform to debate people and spread negativity. Or do you congregate here to just be disagreeable and give each other a good old pat on the back? What does it do for you really to be a miserable skeptic and bash Christianity?

I'm here to address pseduoscience head-on. That has nothing to do with my beliefs or anyone else's ... unless those other people have confused themselves by conflating their own beliefs with what is physically real.

 

[AG_BIC96]

I consider myself a Christian but I have been labelled a satanist, a crook, a phony Christian and few other 'compliments'; on top of this my sister should burn in hell.
The commentary came from fellow Christians, I find the atheists in this forum are far more accepting for who I am.

Unfortunately there are a quite a few Christians who have the mentality of not only being unable to respectively disagree, but have a binary approach, you are either with them or against them particularly when it comes to science which is seen as the root of all evil.

Some believers enjoy science. But many athiest ostracize and attack them for their differing beliefs so I disagree politely. Why be associated with a group of people who at their core do not truly accept you? That's what I am having trouble reconciling with? I don't believe they have pure intentions and love for believers as I've unfortunately had the experience first hand. I don't mean to attack or marginalize this specific group of people but it's clear that some of them don't have believers best interest at heart. And some are kind but many I've found can be quite narcissistic in their interactions with people even strangers. It certainly marred my view of them.

 

[AG_BIC96]

I'm here to address pseduoscience head-on. That has nothing to do with my beliefs or anyone else's ... unless those other people have confused themselves by conflating their own beliefs with what is physically real.

Don't lie some of you get a kick out of hurting people. You can say well we just want to dispel pseudoscience, well why do it on a Christian Forum of all places? And what is the point of dispelling psuedo science if it makes a person happy to believe in that then leave them alone and let them live their lives. Many are not coming from a place of trying to educate but to change people's minds into their own way of thinking because it's superior aka pride.

 

[AG_BIC96]

To any Athiest and skeptics do you really want to be associated as being a group of hateful trolls. Why not be less rude and mean in your interactions in order to give a better reputation to the community? Would that not be a better way of spreading the word and trying to enlighten others?

 

[AG_BIC96]

I'm mad about how you guys treated me and mad that you just refuse to be kinder and more tolerant to others. It's just not right and I'm calling some of you out for it because someone needs to.

 

[SelfSim]

You can say well we just want to dispel pseudoscience, well why do it on a Christian Forum of all places?

I originally joined here because a widely known, prolific web pseudoscientist was covertly holed up here.
He's no longer here, but the conditions which permitted him to stay and do major damage, still persist.

And what is the point of dispelling psuedo science if it makes a person happy to believe in that then leave them alone and let them live their lives. Many are not coming from a place of trying to educate but to change people's minds into their own way of thinking because it's superior aka pride.

I have no problems with folk who distinguish their beliefs from objective science.
Those who advocate their beliefs (philosophical, etc) by conflating them with objective science, will encounter resistance.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Don't lie you know what some of you do when faced with different opinions. Resort to tearing people apart and name calling.

That's against the rules here.

If you are a true skeptic then you wouldn't have made up your mind already

I'm not a radical capital-S philosophical Skeptic that can't decide anything and must sit forever on the fence. Rather, I believe that all claims should be treated with skepticism, and only accepted when the evidence and reasoning are sufficient to demonstrate the claim within reason. When that burden is met, it would be perverse to refrain from accepting the claim.

 

[SelfSim]

Would that not be a better way of spreading the word and trying to enlighten others?

Objective science is not 'the word'.

 

[AG_BIC96]

I originally joined here because a widely known, prolific web pseudoscientist was covertly holed up here.
He's no longer here, but the conditions which permitted him to stay and do major damage, still persist.

I have no problems with folk who distinguish their beliefs from objective science.
Those who advocate their beliefs (philosophical, etc) by conflating them with objective science, will encounter resistance.

So what you are saying is because you hold science in such as grand regard that anyone who does anything to touch the precious treasure trove or tamper with it is a piece of crap person? Should not see the light of day? Science is not the holy grail it's just a way to analyze the natural world. If people find parallels between science and religion or can link the two together somehow let them. You may not agree with it but at the end of the day that's their business not yours. They very often do a disservice to no one so I don't see the issue.

 

[AG_BIC96]

Objective science is not 'the word'.

I don't give a crap stop being angry trolls and ruining this platform with negativity. You can present your ideas without being a jerk it isn't difficult.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Don't lie you know what some of you do...

Don't lie some of you get a kick out of hurting people...

I don't believe they have pure intentions... I don't mean to attack or marginalize this specific group of people

But you're doing such a great job!