The Mystery

[kmolson]

What was it that the princes of this world didn’t know?

(1Cor. 2:7, 8 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Ken.

 

[billychum]

That the HS would come through the death of Jesus.

Billy <><

 

[JDS]

What God had ordained before the foundation of the world.

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
The church is predestined from then to be glorified.


It is interesting to consider what Paul said to these Corinthians. He may have desired to reveal the mystery of Christ to this church but was unable to do so because of this.


See his conclusion to his statements in the great chapter 2.


1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

1 Corinthians was written in AD 54 and he would not write in detail of this mystery until he wrote Ephesians in AD 61, the theme of which is the mystery of Christ. Ephesus, of course was a much more spiritual church.

He would say that the church is the wisdom of God and angelic and heavenly entities would know his wisdom by observing it.

Ep 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

 

[kmolson]

What was it that the princes of this world didn’t know?

(1Cor. 2:7, 8 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Ken.

Most of this material has been extracted from &#8220;Paul&#8217;s Gospel: The Subject of the Great Mystery&#8221; written by Robert E. Walsh of Trinity Grace Fellowship, Pittsburgh. His contributions and labors to the understanding of Biblical doctrine are gratefully acknowledged.

This is the message of Eph 5:32 that the Great Mystery is the Body of Christ and its relationship to Christ. This awesome relationship to the Savior was not revealed to creation until Paul, but kept secret within the Godhead. (Rom 16:25, 26; Eph 3:1-6; Col 1:25-27) The notion that a group of redeemed sinners are to be the seated on the very same throne as Christ, and to be His extended humanity was not known (Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.) (Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known--) - had it been known, the fallen angels would not have crucified the Lord of Glory.

1Cor. 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Had the demons known that their crucifying of the Savior was to bring about a group of redeemed sinners to be in authority over them, and serve in their defeat, they would not have crucified Christ.
(Rom 16:20) And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.

Israel is under the authority of the angels. The angels are referred to as Israel's lords (Dan 10:16, 17, 19; 12:8), gods (Psm 8:5; 82:1, 6; 1 Cor 8:5), and spirits (Ez 1:21; 2:2. cp. Heb 7:7).


In this regard the angels are the overseers of Israel's Kingdom and are the channel of blessing to the nation.

The angels were and will be the administrators of Israel's Kingdom as indicated in the following verses:

Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it wasordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

In contrast to Israel, the Body of Christ is in administrative authority over the angels. This is seen directly in 1 Cor 6:3:

2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

The Body of Christ is under the One Lord, namely Christ, the Second Person of the Triune Godhead 1Co 8:5,6.


Each member of the Body of Christ has a direct relationship to the One Lord (as the Head to the Body) without angelic mediation/ministry of any kind 1Ti 2:5 Ro 8:34,26


Paul received revelation directly from the One Lord Ac 9:3-6 1Co 9:1 2Co 12:1-7 Gal 1:12 Eph 3:3, and not through the disposition of angels (cf. II.A.4 Ex 3:2 Ac 7:53 Ga 3:19 Ez 2:2 He 2:2)


Body of Christ is administratively superior to the angels1Co 5:3-5 6:1-3 Ga 1:8,9 Eph 3:10 1Ti 1:20|


Note: a Jew would not, neither do even other angels, accuse or rail against angels cf. 2Pe 2:10,11 Jude 1:9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


Paul's anathema upon angels is contra Peter in 2Pe 2:10,11. But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

Paul said in Gal. 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Note: Ac 27:23,24 describes an angel in submission to Paul (compare the use of paristemi in vv. 23 and 24).

One Hope of Paul's gospel vis-a-vis many hopes of Twelve's gospel: Matt. 5:5; 15:26&#8211;28; 19:28, Luke 22:30, Acts 1:6&#8211;7, I Pet. 1:10; 2:9&#8211;12, Rev. 21:10&#8211;14,24&#8211;26.
Peter's gospel and ministry concern the eternal hopes of Israel plus the 70 nations, and
Peter's hope is to chair the Sanhedrin of Israel's future earthly empire.

Paul's hope is to sit in the Third Heaven with Christ (II Cor. 12:1&#8211;4, Eph. 1:20; 2:6) over angels.

Ken.

 

[Dispy]

Most of this material has been extracted from “Paul’s Gospel: The Subject of the Great Mystery” written by Robert E. Walsh of Trinity Grace Fellowship, Pittsburgh. His contributions and labors to the understanding of Biblical doctrine are gratefully acknowledged.

This is the message of Eph 5:32 that the Great Mystery is the Body of Christ and its relationship to Christ. This awesome relationship to the Savior was not revealed to creation until Paul, but kept secret within the Godhead. (Rom 16:25, 26; Eph 3:1-6; Col 1:25-27) The notion that a group of redeemed sinners are to be the seated on the very same throne as Christ, and to be His extended humanity was not known (Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.) (Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known--) - had it been known, the fallen angels would not have crucified the Lord of Glory.

1Cor. 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Had the demons known that their crucifying of the Savior was to bring about a group of redeemed sinners to be in authority over them, and serve in their defeat, they would not have crucified Christ.
(Rom 16:20) And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.

Israel is under the authority of the angels. The angels are referred to as Israel's lords (Dan 10:16, 17, 19; 12:8), gods (Psm 8:5; 82:1, 6; 1 Cor 8:5), and spirits (Ez 1:21; 2:2. cp. Heb 7:7).


In this regard the angels are the overseers of Israel's Kingdom and are the channel of blessing to the nation.

The angels were and will be the administrators of Israel's Kingdom as indicated in the following verses:

Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it wasordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

In contrast to Israel, the Body of Christ is in administrative authority over the angels. This is seen directly in 1 Cor 6:3:

2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

The Body of Christ is under the One Lord, namely Christ, the Second Person of the Triune Godhead 1Co 8:5,6.


Each member of the Body of Christ has a direct relationship to the One Lord (as the Head to the Body) without angelic mediation/ministry of any kind 1Ti 2:5 Ro 8:34,26


Paul received revelation directly from the One Lord Ac 9:3-6 1Co 9:1 2Co 12:1-7 Gal 1:12 Eph 3:3, and not through the disposition of angels (cf. II.A.4 Ex 3:2 Ac 7:53 Ga 3:19 Ez 2:2 He 2:2)


Body of Christ is administratively superior to the angels1Co 5:3-5 6:1-3 Ga 1:8,9 Eph 3:10 1Ti 1:20|


Note: a Jew would not, neither do even other angels, accuse or rail against angels cf. 2Pe 2:10,11 Jude 1:9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


Paul's anathema upon angels is contra Peter in 2Pe 2:10,11. But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

Paul said in Gal. 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Note: Ac 27:23,24 describes an angel in submission to Paul (compare the use of paristemi in vv. 23 and 24).

One Hope of Paul's gospel vis-a-vis many hopes of Twelve's gospel: Matt. 5:5; 15:26–28; 19:28, Luke 22:30, Acts 1:6–7, I Pet. 1:10; 2:9–12, Rev. 21:10–14,24–26.
Peter's gospel and ministry concern the eternal hopes of Israel plus the 70 nations, and
Peter's hope is to chair the Sanhedrin of Israel's future earthly empire.

Paul's hope is to sit in the Third Heaven with Christ (II Cor. 12:1–4, Eph. 1:20; 2:6) over angels.

Ken.

EXCELLENT ARTICLE. Had satan known the purpose of the Cross: he would have "worked like the devil" to keep Christ from it.

God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!

 

[billychum]

Most of this material has been extracted from &#8220;Paul&#8217;s Gospel: The Subject of the Great Mystery&#8221; written by Robert E. Walsh of Trinity Grace Fellowship, Pittsburgh. His contributions and labors to the understanding of Biblical doctrine are gratefully acknowledged.

This is the message of Eph 5:32 that the Great Mystery is the Body of Christ and its relationship to Christ. This awesome relationship to the Savior was not revealed to creation until Paul, but kept secret within the Godhead. (Rom 16:25, 26; Eph 3:1-6; Col 1:25-27) The notion that a group of redeemed sinners are to be the seated on the very same throne as Christ, and to be His extended humanity was not known (Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.) (Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known--) - had it been known, the fallen angels would not have crucified the Lord of Glory.

1Cor. 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Had the demons known that their crucifying of the Savior was to bring about a group of redeemed sinners to be in authority over them, and serve in their defeat, they would not have crucified Christ.
(Rom 16:20) And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.

Israel is under the authority of the angels. The angels are referred to as Israel's lords (Dan 10:16, 17, 19; 12:8), gods (Psm 8:5; 82:1, 6; 1 Cor 8:5), and spirits (Ez 1:21; 2:2. cp. Heb 7:7).


In this regard the angels are the overseers of Israel's Kingdom and are the channel of blessing to the nation.

The angels were and will be the administrators of Israel's Kingdom as indicated in the following verses:

Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it wasordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

In contrast to Israel, the Body of Christ is in administrative authority over the angels. This is seen directly in 1 Cor 6:3:

2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

The Body of Christ is under the One Lord, namely Christ, the Second Person of the Triune Godhead 1Co 8:5,6.


Each member of the Body of Christ has a direct relationship to the One Lord (as the Head to the Body) without angelic mediation/ministry of any kind 1Ti 2:5 Ro 8:34,26


Paul received revelation directly from the One Lord Ac 9:3-6 1Co 9:1 2Co 12:1-7 Gal 1:12 Eph 3:3, and not through the disposition of angels (cf. II.A.4 Ex 3:2 Ac 7:53 Ga 3:19 Ez 2:2 He 2:2)


Body of Christ is administratively superior to the angels1Co 5:3-5 6:1-3 Ga 1:8,9 Eph 3:10 1Ti 1:20|


Note: a Jew would not, neither do even other angels, accuse or rail against angels cf. 2Pe 2:10,11 Jude 1:9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


Paul's anathema upon angels is contra Peter in 2Pe 2:10,11. But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

Paul said in Gal. 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Note: Ac 27:23,24 describes an angel in submission to Paul (compare the use of paristemi in vv. 23 and 24).

One Hope of Paul's gospel vis-a-vis many hopes of Twelve's gospel: Matt. 5:5; 15:26&#8211;28; 19:28, Luke 22:30, Acts 1:6&#8211;7, I Pet. 1:10; 2:9&#8211;12, Rev. 21:10&#8211;14,24&#8211;26.
Peter's gospel and ministry concern the eternal hopes of Israel plus the 70 nations, and
Peter's hope is to chair the Sanhedrin of Israel's future earthly empire.

Paul's hope is to sit in the Third Heaven with Christ (II Cor. 12:1&#8211;4, Eph. 1:20; 2:6) over angels.

Ken.

To many conclusions jumed to here. I don't want to type them all up (lazy I guess) but the MacAuther study Bible gives pleny of alternative interpretations to a lot of the same vs. mentioned above.

Billy <><