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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't your question regarding the music that God endorses? All of the responses I'm seeing are based on what the person endorses instead.
Even that vein of thought addresses the issue only as how the music allegedly causes a person to return to a former habit. I dont' think music is going to incite a drug war in the heavenlies, but you know, that's just my opinion.I think I'm sensing hints from K4C and Joe that music styles and beats relate to "sin."
Even David selected music based on his own instrument of choice.
Psalms 144:9 I will sing a new song to You, O God; On a harp of ten strings I will sing praises to You...
BFA,I think you're right. However, I think I'm sensing hints from K4C and Joe that music styles and beats relate to "sin." If so, then they may be telling us that God does in fact endorse certain styles of music. Hopefully, they will confirm or deny. Perhaps they'll even be willing to share with us the attributes of the musical styles that God does not endorse.
BFA
I do believe some beats or styles of music can temp us to return to old habbits such as drugs.
I'm a retired police detective (3 years now). During my time I had many opportunities to work narcotic cases that involved rave clubs. Rave clubs are places where people go to use the drug ecstasy. They play techno music there because it inhances the drug effect.
k4c said:As far as David and King Saul. David would play the harp to releave Saul of his evil spirit.
1 Samuel 16:23 And whenever the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, David took the harp and played it with his hand; so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
Sophia,What effect do you think such music would have on someone who had never used illegal drugs? I don't think that techno music would tempt me to do anything.
___________________________________________________________1 Sam. 19:9 Now there was an evil spirit from the LORD on Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand, and David was playing the harp with his hand.Do you think that during the times that David's music failed to calm Saul, it was because David was playing the wrong type of music? I think that it had more to do with Saul's increasing jealousy because the Lord was with David but had withdrawn from Saul.
10 Saul tried to pin David to the wall with the spear, but he slipped away out of Saul's presence, so that he stuck the spear into the wall. And David fled and escaped that night.
What is happening to my weak brothers and sisters thoughts and feelings?
Are old, self-indulgent feelings being revived in them as the music is brought forth?
Even King David went through this experience; twice. He set up the tent at Jerusalem and began worshiping through the power of music, of which he was the teacher and leader. Then came Bathsheba and Uriah. Then next came the desire to number Israel. It never entered his thoughts as to how greatly he would be tempted; through association with the king of Tyre.
This is an opinion. I respect the fact that it's your opinion, but I need something more in order to see the wisdom in reaching such conclusions. If music was such a powerful force for evil, why don't we find evidence of this in the Bible?In my past job as a police detective I have done much reseach in the area of satanic crimes and the influence of music in criminal behavior and suicides. Music has a very powerful influence on people in regards to sex, drugs, suicide, violence and rebellion whether we believe it or not. We can even make fun of people who teach and believe this but it won't nullify the fact that it does.
I've read books written by authors such as Samuele Bacchiochi and Ellen G. White. Their conclusions seem similar to yours. However, I notice that their conclusions are based entirely on personal opinion. It's fine to have opinions, but should we present them as facts?Don't let your emotions guide you, do your reseach.
Reading some of the comments in this thread leads me to believe that some of us are just as superstitious as those early cave dwellers who thought offering sacrifices would appease the angry gods (sun, rain, wind, etc). I am waiting for the thread to morph into backward masking and subliminal messaging.....
This is an opinion. I respect the fact that it's your opinion, but I need something more in order to see the wisdom in reaching such conclusions. If music was such a powerful force for evil, why don't we find evidence of this in the Bible?
I've read books written by authors such as Samuele Bacchiochi and Ellen G. White. Their conclusions seem similar to yours. However, I notice that their conclusions are based entirely on personal opinion. It's fine to have opinions, but should we present them as facts?
Also, I find your list of "expert" quotes to be rather fascinating.
BFA
My comments thus far have related solely to musical styles. I've made it quite clear that I have separated out the words for the purposes of this discussion and that I am focusing solely on style.Satan uses music as a conduit to bring life changing words into our hearts and minds. Just like the word of God has power to change lives so do all words.
You seem to be commenting on the power that a celebrity has to influence people. This is a separate issue from the subject of musical styles.Look at the lives of rock stars they have sex, money, fame and power. They have made millions upon millions of dollars through ungodly influences. They influence our youth like no other force in the world today. At the birth of rock and roll society began to be change by it's influential power.
This is a very large claim that--as of yet--has gone unsupported. Since you've done your research, please show us why we should join you in this conclusion.Drugs, sex, violence and rebellion is the byproduct of much of today's music.
I do see a discussion of music, but it is a sad discussion in which the beauty of music will no longer be heard. Here, music is viewed positively and the absence of it is truly felt. Revelation 18:21-23 does not establish a cause/effect relationship between music and deception. It seems that you may be twisting the passage in order to support the conclusion you've already reached.Listen to what encompassed Babylon and its inflential power. Tell me if you hear the sound of music in these verses.
Upon what basis would we conclude that music is sorcery?God goes on to say how Satan has been able to deceived all the nations through sorcery.The word sorcery is the word (pharmakeia) which is where we get the word (pharmacy). We know what pharmacy represents.
I have noticed that you haven't added anything pertinent to the topic BFA initiated. He asked what kind of music God would endorse, and you have instead resorted to music being endorsed by satan.Take some time and do your research you will have not doubt that music is a powerful influence used by Satan.
My comments thus far have related solely to musical styles. I've made it quite clear that I have separated out the words for the purposes of this discussion and that I am focusing solely on style.
You seem to be commenting on the power that a celebrity has to influence people. This is a separate issue from the subject of musical styles.
This is a very large claim that--as of yet--has gone unsupported. Since you've done your research, please show us why we should join you in this conclusion.
I do see a discussion of music, but it is a sad discussion in which the beauty of music will no longer be heard. Here, music is viewed positively and the absence of it is truly felt. Revelation 18:21-23 does not establish a cause/effect relationship between music and deception. It seems that you may be twisting the passage in order to support the conclusion you've already reached.
Upon what basis would we conclude that music is sorcery?
BFA
I have noticed that you haven't added anything pertinent to the topic BFA initiated. He asked what kind of music God would endorse, and you have instead resorted to music being endorsed by satan.
Is it your contention that there isn't any music that God appreciates?
This cannot be reconciled with the laundry list presented earlier in this thread showing loud cymbals, trumpets, harps, and other items resembling a major jam session.
I haven't met BFA, and I don't even remember his location. I guess that those sharing the unity of the faith continue to astonish you when you see that unity really does mean unity...WOW!!! Are you related to VictorC?
See ya later aligator...
This thread is devoted to the topic of music. Please feel free to discuss in this thread any topic that relates to music.
THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT THE LAW. IF YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE LAW, THERE ARE MANY OTHER THREADS IN WHICH YOU CAN DO SO!
So, what types of music do you enjoy?
Do you limit your listening in any way?
What are your views regarding music and worship?
BFA
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