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Opinions don´t count for more just because they are claimed to be "objective".Your opinions don't count for much.
"Just", as in unethical and morally bankrupt.
Are there gods that are not godly?
Might makes right.
On what basis would they be judged, other than disbelief?
Opinions don´t count for more just because they are claimed to be "objective".
Now, in your book, not even logic and intellectual honesty count for much, too. You already have demonstrated here how and why such "subjective" (i.e. human) values count for nothing when you feel that abandoning them helps a "greater good" or is commanded by God - so I conclude you and I have no common ground for a productive discussion.
if you had payed attention, you´d know that I have strong moral convictions. I just don´t mistake them for "non-human" convictions.You don't appear to have any moral convictions period.
Then don´t pretend you are by asking me questions about my views.You're right I'm not interested in your views.
Well, I do have - but it just doesn´t happen to be the basis you would like there to be but which you can´t demonstrate.You have no basis for making moral judgments.
Or one that is only under the illusion of such guidance.What you have said helps reinforce my advice to Nicholas. You are right. We don't know what will ultimately happen as a result of our actions if all we have is our finite abilities to rely on.
But if we rely on God who sees and knows all to guide us through life, we can be sure that He, like the air traffic controller who sits high and looks low, knows what is best for all of us.
Without this guidance, we are left pretty much like you called it, hoping, guessing, wondering whether or not what we choose is the best choice. We have to walk through life never really knowing if we have made the right choices. We hope we have of course, but there is always that lingering thought, that shadow that follows us that reminds us that we are just doing what we can.
Not so for the one who follows God and is led by the Spirit of God.
Such a man can arrogantly crash through these forums with no idea of the image he is creating of his theology and his religion in general.Such a man can be bold as a lion and know that what he is doing is serving ends that he can only fathom and that will one day be woven into a most beautiful tapestry, the handiwork of a Holy, Almighty, and all knowing God.
if you had payed attention, you´d know that I have strong moral convictions. I just don´t mistake them for "non-human" convictions.
Then don´t pretend you are by asking me questions about my views.
Or one that is only under the illusion of such guidance.
Such a man can arrogantly crash through these forums with no idea of the image he is creating of his theology and his religion in general.
When did that happened, as a "fact"?Yahweh is omniscient and omnipotent. He could destroy cancer in its totality without sacrificing a single cell of healthy tissue. In fact, God does heal miraculously as He sees fit.
You are making some assumptions that if you are an atheist, are not true. The biggest one is that you seem to care about 4 million humans. According to evolution there is nothing special about humans. Why should the four risk anything for those other humans in an objectively rational sense? Humans are just another animal no more, no less. Now it sounds like your view is just based on sentimentality for your own species, not on anything rationally objective. Only Christianity has a rational objective basis for morality and for infinite human worth to the point where the sick person would be willing to sacrifice themselves for the four million. Your green line signature has no rationally objective basis.In the computer software industry, there's a saying "Garbage in, Garbage out".
It means if you put in faulty data, you're going to get faulty results.
Moral values are based on your circumstances and circumstances are based on evolution and science.
You have 4 people on a spaceship but only enough oxygen for 3 people to reach your destination where your job is to save the lives of millions with a cure for a disease you're bringing.
The 4th person is terminally ill and will certainly die within a week after reaching the destination even if there was enough oxygen for all four to get there, but there's only enough oxygen for three.
Do you toss the fourth person out the air lock? Or do you allow them to live knowing you won't make it to the destination and others will also die?
The green line in my signature is always true and always has been. A persons beliefs would not change it.
Is it wrong to stand idly by, observing children being raped, and do nothing?Raping children is wrong.
1. That proposition is made true because it corresponds to an objective feature of reality independent of human opinion and preference.
2. That proposition is made true because it corresponds to a subjective opinion or preference of human beings.
3. That proposition is neither true nor false.
4. That proposition is meaningless.
When did that happened, as a "fact"?
I don´t answer loaded questions nor questions that are comprised of false dichotomies "yes" or "no".
You aren´t interested in my actual meta-ethical stance (which I have exhaustively and patiently explained to you countless times), you are merely interested in pushing through your script, with all the errors in it. You aren´t listening, you aren´t paying attention. In essence, you are talking to yourself.
Is it wrong to stand idly by, observing children being raped, and do nothing?
Why then are you in this forum?I have no care for what you think or anyone else thinks.
I'm not the one making truth claims.So far all I have been given are opinions. Which is fine.
And you seem to be bankrupt in all those accounts.But this is an apologetics forum where arguments, evidence, and reason are the required currency, not opinions.
Well, you just said I don´t have them.Oh no doubt you do have moral convictions. No doubt.
Why sure I do have a basis. I am just not claiming that I have a basis "independent of humans".You just don't have any basis for them.
Well, as soon as you can demonstrate thatThat's all, and that is very interesting to say the least. They amount to nothing more than opinions which are fine, just not appropriate in an apologetics forum.
It may be, his strongest motivation, is to convince himself.
Did he provide them with compelling evidence for his existence?Saying God stayed His judgment of a people for 500 years is not analogous with saying God did nothing to or for them for 500 years. You know that.
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