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The modern Republican party is hurtling towards fascism

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If Reich thinks rigging elections through gerrymandering is a Republican alone issue, he needs to see the districts drawn up by the New York legislature before the midterm election. He also conveniently ignores that two prominent Trump Republicans, Bill Barr as Attorney General and Mike Pence as V.P. did not deny the outcome of the election and worked to fulfill their jobs during the certification and transition.
Those wily Democrats used an independent special master to carve up their districts.

In the end, New York’s 26 new congressional districts were drawn by a court-appointed “special master,” who crafted highly-competitive lines for this year’s elections [2022] and the coming decade until the next U.S. Census and redistricting process.
 
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Those wily Democrats used an independent special master to carve up their districts.

In the end, New York’s 26 new congressional districts were drawn by a court-appointed “special master,” who crafted highly-competitive lines for this year’s elections [2022] and the coming decade until the next U.S. Census and redistricting process.
Gerrymandering is usually associated with legislatures in states trying to change the district maps to benefit the party in power. Here is the map proposed by the Wisconsin Republican dominated legislature that was rejected by the Governor.

This shows the federal congressional districts and shows no change in how the districts leaned from the previous maps using the old census.
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Here is the first attempt that the Democratic Governor's appointed bipartisan Wisconsin Peoples Maps Commission came up with. This map intentionally gerrymanders several southern counties in Wisconsin to try to generate another competitive district for Democrats.
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Here is the final map used in the 2022 midterm election as determined by the Wisconsin Supreme Court using a "Least Change" method.
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I don't see Reich's terrible gerrymandering here.
 
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Those wily Democrats used an independent special master to carve up their districts.

In the end, New York’s 26 new congressional districts were drawn by a court-appointed “special master,” who crafted highly-competitive lines for this year’s elections [2022] and the coming decade until the next U.S. Census and redistricting process.
Here is the map approved by the Democratic led New York legislature. Notice that in this map the Democrats would pick up 3 seats in Congress and the Republicans would lose 3. Another district would change from Republic leaning to Competitive. All of this even though N.Y. lost one congressional district in the last census.
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The maps finally went to a New York state court, which appointed the special master you pointed out. He drew the maps used for the 2022 midterm election. which dropped one Democratic district, one Republican district, and changed one to competitive.
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This is why I said that the New York State legislature was much more partisan in their gerrymandering than Wisconsin. All of these maps and more can be found here.
 
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Yeah, New York politics is kinda sucky. Entrenchment is not conducive to good society. That said, however corrupt they may or may not be, they don't seem to be as fascistic as the MAGA Republicans and/or the white nationalists (MTG).
I think Reich used the same shorthand to try to make a point that the MAGA Republicans (Trump Republicans) are obviously fascist, so he doesn't have to really work hard to paint a picture using weak state based news stories. I am not that impressed with his logic. If you are going to make radical claims, you need to show radical evidence of your claims. His "evidence" of fascism is the Tennessee expulsions, which happened using democratic procedures, a hypothetical impeachment of the new Wisconsin Supreme Court judge, and the fact that he doesn't like what Ron Desantis is doing in Florida, even though all of that is using the standard democratic processes. It seems to me he has an inability to accept that there are states doing things that he doesn't like. This intolerance of others power is the most fascist thing about his article.

The first act in trying to bridge a gulf is stand in the middle and get the two sides to move closer together. You can't do this by name-calling and finger-pointing. I agree with his primary premise, which is that a supermajority in a state legislature is not good for the democratic processes in that state or city or whatever. With that premise, he could have cited several valid instances on both sides and made a fair point. Instead, he paints one side as good and the other as bad. I guess he isn't trying to bridge anything. He's just another rock thrower.
 
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With a name like Reich, he must know what he's talking about!
Being that the man is of Jewish heritage - that comment sounds awfully anti-sematic - be careful.

As for the far left Robert Reich, Bill Clinton's go to guy - him seeing things as he does is not surprising he has been the author of a fairly steady stream of anti conservative tropes throughout the decades. He get trotted out occasionally makes ridiculous observations like the article and then is sequestered back into obscurity. That is only my position.
 
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Being that the man is of Jewish heritage - that comment sounds awfully anti-sematic - be careful.

As for the far left Robert Reich, Bill Clinton's go to guy - him seeing things as he does is not surprising he has been the author of a fairly steady stream of anti conservative tropes throughout the decades. He get trotted out occasionally makes ridiculous observations like the article and then is sequestered back into obscurity. That is only my position.
His main schtick is “income inequality” which he’s droned on about for the better part of a decade…he also does rather quick and concise videos explaining (his side) of certain issues with lots of drawings and his steady palaver of “facts”.
 
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Being that the man is of Jewish heritage - that comment sounds awfully anti-sematic - be careful.

As for the far left Robert Reich, Bill Clinton's go to guy - him seeing things as he does is not surprising he has been the author of a fairly steady stream of anti conservative tropes throughout the decades. He get trotted out occasionally makes ridiculous observations like the article and then is sequestered back into obscurity. That is only my position.
What a fine ad hom!
 
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GUARDIAN 15 APRIL 2023
(This fairly blunt criticism of the US Republican Party was published in the Guardian of 15 April. Given the nature and tone of the criticism I've reproduced the entire article text. Author details, and a link, are listed under the article. - OB)


The modern Republican party is hurtling towards fascism


America no longer has two parties devoted to a democratic system of self-government.

We have a Democratic party, which – notwithstanding a few glaring counter-examples, such as what the Democratic National Committee did to Bernie Sanders in 2016 – is still largely committed to democracy.

And we have a Republican party, which is careening at high velocity toward authoritarianism. OK, fascism.

What occurred in Nashville last week is a frightening reminder of the fragility of American democracy when Republicans obtain supermajorities and no longer need to work with Democratic lawmakers.

The two Tennessee Democrats who Republicans expelled from the Tennessee house have been restored to their seats until special elections are held, but the damage to democracy cannot be easily undone.

The two were not accused of criminal wrongdoing or even immoral conduct. Their putative offense was to protest against Tennessee’s failure to enact stronger gun controls after a shooting at a Christian school in Nashville left three nine-year-old students and three adults dead.

They were technically in violation of house rules, but the state legislature has never imposed so severe a penalty for rules violations. In fact, over the past few years, several Tennessee legislators have kept their posts even after being charged with serious sexual misconduct. And the two who were expelled last week are Black people, while a third legislator who demonstrated in the same manner but was not expelled is white.

We are witnessing the logical culmination of win-at-any-cost Trump Republican politics – scorched-earth tactics used by Republicans to entrench their power, with no justification other than that they can.

Democracy is about means. Under it, citizens don’t have to agree on ends (abortion, healthcare, guns or whatever else we disagree about) as long as we agree on democratic means for handling our disagreements.

But for Trump Republicans, the ends justify whatever means they choose – including expelling lawmakers, rigging elections through gerrymandering, refusing to raise the debt ceiling and denying the outcome of a legitimate presidential election.

Wisconsin may soon offer an even more chilling example. While liberals celebrated the election last Tuesday of Janet Protasiewicz to the Wisconsin supreme court because she will tip the court against the state’s extreme gerrymandering (the most extreme in the nation) and its fierce laws against abortion (among the most stringent in America), something else occurred in Wisconsin on election day that may well negate Protasiewicz’s victory.

Voters in Wisconsin’s eighth senatorial district decided (by a small margin) to send Republican Dan Knodl to the state senate. This gives the Wisconsin Republican party a supermajority – and with it, the power to remove key state officials, including judges, through impeachment.

Several weeks ago, Knodl said he would “certainly consider” impeaching Protasiewicz. Although he was then talking about her role as a county judge, his interest in impeaching her presumably has increased now that she’s able to tip the state’s highest court.

As in Tennessee, this could be done without any necessity for a public justification. Under Republican authoritarianism, power is its own justification.

Recall that in 2018, after Wisconsin voters elected a Democratic governor and attorney general, the Republican legislature and the lame duck Republican governor responded by significantly cutting back the power of both offices.

Meanwhile, a newly installed Republican supermajority in Florida has given Ron DeSantis unbridled control – with total authority over the board governing Disney, the theme park giant he has fought over his anti-LGBTQ “don’t say gay” law; permission to fly migrants from anywhere in the US to destinations of his own choosing, for political purposes, and then send the bill to Florida’s taxpayers; and unprecedented prosecutorial power in the form of his newly created, hand-picked office of election “integrity”, pursuing supposed cases of voter fraud.

Without two parties committed to democratic means to resolve differences in ends, the party committed to democracy is at a tactical disadvantage. If it is to survive, eventually it, too, will sacrifice democratic means to its own ends.

In these circumstances, partisanship turns to enmity and political divisions morph into hatred. In warfare there are no principles, only wins and losses. America experienced this 160 years ago, when the civil war tore us apart.

Donald Trump is not singularly responsible for this dangerous trend, but he has legitimized and encouraged the ends-justify-the-means viciousness now pushing the GOP toward becoming the American fascist party.

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A professor at UC Berkeley. That figures. He's upset when democratically elected officials enforce rules....calls it fascism. No surprise there....he probably hasn't heard anyone disagree with him in years now since anyone remotely differing in opinion has been chased off of Berkeley by the local fascists.
What facts did the writer get incorrect?

It's pretty light on facts and mostly a justification for fascism. He's a big fan of fascism. Here's a fun one though...

"But for Trump Republicans, the ends justify whatever means they choose – including expelling lawmakers, rigging elections through gerrymandering, refusing to raise the debt ceiling and denying the outcome of a legitimate presidential election."

One of his many references to "Trump Republicans". I have no idea what a "Trump Republican" is but I suspect it's any Republicans who are successful in getting elected and creating policy. I'm not sure what he expected to happen in these states....but as far as I can tell, everything he's complaining about are the legal actions of elected officials. That's democracy, not fascism.

Regardless....his main argument....buried within the dramatic overtures of "oh no fascism" is....

An argument for fascism....

Without two parties committed to democratic means to resolve differences in ends, the party committed to democracy is at a tactical disadvantage. If it is to survive, eventually it, too, will sacrifice democratic means to its own ends.

In these circumstances, partisanship turns to enmity and political divisions morph into hatred. In warfare there are no principles, only wins and losses. America experienced this 160 years ago, when the civil war tore us apart.


This is essentially saying "we need to become fascists to fight these fascists who keep using "rules" and "laws" to keep us from having our way." He's literally trying to make an excuse for undemocratic methods.

I think he's an idiot.
 
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Precisely this.

It's tragic to see the Republican Party as they are now.

More and more now, the end is justifying worse and worse means. Power for the sake of power.
You mean they are reading the democrats book and at least trying not to emulate them?
 
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Robert Reich is, inch for inch, the most brilliant progressive voice in America. His numerous books not only describe the problems our nation is facing but give workable solutions which we should follow.

He gives a historical perspective on what happened to our country economically when 1/3 of the nation's wealth was owned by a small percentage of Americans (think October, 1929.)

That a thriving middle class which can afford not only the necessities but some of the luxuries of life is the best guarantee of a robust economy and prosperity for all we can have.

Yes, his name is Reich. He is of German Jewish descent.

Although Reich is in his seventies, his father lived until he was almost 100--in good physical and mental health to a very advanced age. I hope he keeps sharing his wisdom--and we start listening more--for decades to come.
 
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Robert Reich is, inch for inch, the most brilliant progressive voice in America. His numerous books not only describe the problems our nation is facing but give workable solutions which we should follow.

He gives a historical perspective on what happened to our country economically when 1/3 of the nation's wealth was owned by a small percentage of Americans (think October, 1929.)

That a thriving middle class which can afford not only the necessities but some of the luxuries of life is the best guarantee of a robust economy and prosperity for all we can have.

Yes, his name is Reich. He is of German Jewish descent.

Although Reich is in his seventies, his father lived until he was almost 100--in good physical and mental health to a very advanced age. I hope he keeps sharing his wisdom--and we start listening more--for decades to come.
I am always looking for good books to read and am open to a different viewpoint than my own. Could you recommend a book he has written that you particularly liked. I am not a fan of Reich; but when he was Secretary of Labor, he handled the job reasonably well. In retrospect, the NAFTA decision was bad for everybody; but he was not alone in pushing that through.
 
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I am always looking for good books to read and am open to a different viewpoint than my own. Could you recommend a book he has written that you particularly liked. I am not a fan of Reich; but when he was Secretary of Labor, he handled the job reasonably well. In retrospect, the NAFTA decision was bad for everybody; but he was not alone in pushing that through.
Truly the John Kenneth Galbraith of our time, if a bit schmaltzier?
 
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I am always looking for good books to read and am open to a different viewpoint than my own. Could you recommend a book he has written that you particularly liked. I am not a fan of Reich; but when he was Secretary of Labor, he handled the job reasonably well. In retrospect, the NAFTA decision was bad for everybody; but he was not alone in pushing that through.
I haven't read all his books, but I enjoyed "Saving Capitalism," "The Future of Success," and "The Common Good."

To read some articles first, go to Substack.

Another Substack writer I love is historian Heather Cox Richardson. Her perspective on current events is always grounded in her insightful knowledge of history.
 
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Robert Reich is, inch for inch, the most brilliant progressive voice in America.

That's a low bar to cross.


His numerous books not only describe the problems our nation is facing but give workable solutions which we should follow.

Seems unlikely. Every modern progressive policy and movement has created more problems than it solved.

He gives a historical perspective on what happened to our country economically when 1/3 of the nation's wealth was owned by a small percentage of Americans (think October, 1929.)

I'm not good with dates. What happened then?


That a thriving middle class which can afford not only the necessities but some of the luxuries of life is the best guarantee of a robust economy and prosperity for all we can have.

He probably understands that the exportation of the manufacturing sector overseas is largely to blame for the decline of the middle class...


Yes, his name is Reich. He is of German Jewish descent.

Some people seem very obsessive about the circumstances of someone's birth these days.


Although Reich is in his seventies, his father lived until he was almost 100--in good physical and mental health to a very advanced age. I hope he keeps sharing his wisdom--and we start listening more--for decades to come.

He penned a post hoc rationalization for political violence. If he's not an idiot, he's a menace.
 
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Trump’s latest policy pitch: A massive birthday party for the nation

The former president is proposing a yearlong bash to commemorate 250 years of independence.
“As a nation, we should be preparing for the most spectacular birthday party. We want to make it the best of all time,” Trump said in the new policy video previewed by POLITICO.

He proposed “Patriot Games” for high school athletes

Come all you young MAGAs and list' while I sing
For the love of one's country is a terrible thing
It banishes fear with the speed of a flame
And it makes us all part of the patriot game.
 
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I think it's funny that there's this push to label all things Republican as fascist when the Democrats are much further in that direction than anyone. They routinely spit in the face of Democracy, censor free speech, go against the constitution in areas like the 2nd Amendment, push as hard as they can against freedom of religion, and so much more. The left makes it so any opposition should be destroyed and cast out. It's sickening to watch.
 
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I think it's funny that there's this push to label all things Republican as fascist when the Democrats are much further in that direction than anyone. They routinely spit in the face of Democracy, censor free speech, go against the constitution in areas like the 2nd Amendment, push as hard as they can against freedom of religion, and so much more. The left makes it so any opposition should be destroyed and cast out. It's sickening to watch.
How so ? Please explain.

Spitting in the face of democracy - could you be any more vague?
Go against the constitution like the second amendment - How has the democrats become fascist for wanting gun control?
push as hard as they can against freedom of religion - You have it backwards. The constitution is clear about freedom of religion, and congress will make no law regarding it but republicans keep pushing laws FOR religion on the country.
so much more?
Boy, you sound like you hate the left! Who is the left anyways?

You have made no valid arguments here.
 
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