The Mind/ Body Problem

[KCfromNC]

And that proves what exactly? That's why it's called Dualism.

How is showing that physical stimuli change the decision-making process evidence of Dualism?

Doesn't state the brain makes decisions, it's analogous to someone punching another and causing them to physically retaliate, now did the punch cause them to decide?

It was one of the causes, obviously.

or someone eating sugar, feeling physically good, and then happy affecting their decisions, they ultimately choose their decisions.

The evidence is not conclusive here. Often our conscious mind is only aware of decisions after they are made. And other times our conscious mind takes credit for making decisions that weren't actually decisions in the first place (i.e. it'll take credit for actions which others have done if the conditions are correct). There's a lot of interesting research here, but none of it points towards what you are claiming.

also who said physical cannot affect mental states? they can affect them, but not control them.

Many physical stimuli can control them. That's the whole point of anesthesia, to give but one obvious example.

what I'm saying is that the mind cannot be physical, sure the physical can affect the immaterial mind, but no way does it control or is the mind.

Yes, you're saying this. The problem is you're giving no reason to believe you.

I could easily prove the reverse in mental to physical, for example shame, which causes physical stress, when shame has no physical property.

You know what's more convincing that telling us you can do something? Actually doing it.

if we were purely physical then hearing someone tell you they love you is no different physically then saying they hate you.

No reason to believe this. Physical effects take on lots of forms - no reason to assume they're all the same.

the mind isn't the brain, you've been refuted.

Post your CV, please. If you're going to ask us to blindly accept your assertions I'd at least want to know what areas of neuroscience you work in professionally.

 

[KCfromNC]

Having no physical features, not physical. Thoughts I can see, hear, taste, smell, and feel but they aren't physical, color I can see but cannot hear, taste, touch, or feel.

I thought you just told us that color was immaterial. Now you're saying it has physical features? Admit it, you're just making this up as you go along, aren't you?

Nope, that's a reaction, not the actual experience, the taste.

Yes, very good, you understand. We see physical evidence of the experience.

Exactly, that's why "naturalism" is false, if it was true we'd all have the same exactly physical experiences.

I don't see why. Just because two things share one thing in common doesn't mean that they are identical.

 

[SavedByChrist94]

I thought you just told us that color was immaterial. Now you're saying it has physical features?

When did I say color has physical features?

 

[KCfromNC]

When did I say color has physical features?

When you said you can see it.

 

[SavedByChrist94]

When you said you can see it.

Seeing it doesn't make it a physical property, I see my thoughts does that make them physical/material? no.

Also, Color is subjective, which means say a plant was green and someone saw it as red, red or green the physical is the same, which means to the physical plant the color is unnecessary, like having 2 cars, Physically 2 doesn't exist, yet there are 2 cars.

This means 2 things, 1 Color is Immaterial, and 2 we can see without our eyes, as when you are blind it's as if your eyes are closed, and black is immaterial, so even though you can't see the physical world, you can still 'see', which makes us have an immaterial property. so lets say brain damage causes blindness, the blind person still sees black, so their still seeing, how though?! can't be material since the brain is off, obviously Immaterial.

I just discovered this right now as well, so Thank you. further proving God(The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) exists and The Bible is His Word.

 

[KCfromNC]

Seeing it doesn't make it a physical property, I see my thoughts does that make them physical/material? no.

If you think you see your thoughts in the same way you see color, you should see a doctor. It means there's something wrong.

And yes, of course thoughts are a physical process generated by a material brain. What else would they be?

Also, Color is subjective, which means say a plant was green and someone saw it as red, red or green the physical is the same

Nope, they're two different colors so they can't be the same.

Snipped the rest of this nonsense. It's not even wrong - you're just making stuff up as you go along, aren't you?