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The militant atheists have themselves to blame

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Vance

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I just posted this over in the Creation and Evolution forum, but thought it was relevant here as well:

I have been listening to a very interesting lecture series on the history of the theory of evolution. In it, the professor discusses the ebb and flow of the religious debate from even before Darwin with the discovery of the vast age of the earth, etc.

More to the point, he discusses the “anti-evolution” movements in America during the 20th century, which basically took place in two waves, one in the 1920's, and the current one, which started in the 1960's. While there were a variety of factors involved, including what was happening within the religious communities themselves, I found one major factor very interesting: the culpability of certain militant atheists.

The First Wave:
As most know, there was not a major religious outcry at the time Darwin first proposed his theory, just some fairly sedate debate. In fact, Asa Gray, a devout Christian, was one of Darwin’s strongest proponents in the U.S.. The trigger in the 1920's, though, was when more and more evidence for HUMAN evolution began to be produced. Up to that point, many Christians accepted the concept of an old earth and even evolution of plants and animals with relative ease, but maintained the idea that humans were specially created. It was when it began to be discussed in terms of humans to a greater extent that a movement developed to oppose its teaching. This led to the Scopes trial and this led to the banning of the teaching of evolution in many schools. This seemed sufficient, and the anti-evolution fervor died down to a great extent.

The Second Wave:
This wave all started with the centennial celebration of the Origins of Species in 1958. It was a major event, with magazine covers, lectures, etc. It became a major topic of conversation. As a result, there was pressure on the Federal Government to begin to override the states’ watering down of science and it ordered the development of new textbooks that began teaching evolution once again. At the same time, while evolution was all the rage, a couple of atheists, Julian Huxley and GG Simpson (and, to a lesser extent, Mayr), began to preach a religion of philosophical naturalism. Yes, they actually used the term “religion” for their own approach, although they meant it as in counterpoint to true religious belief. They began using evolution to support their naturalistic atheism, asserting loudly that all morality and ethics could be determined through rational knowledge. They viewed evolution as a progressive process and preached it as a foundation of their naturalistic philosophy. And it was not long before the entire concept of evolution became associated with atheism in a way that it never had before.

This was also at a time of greater compulsion of public education and the rise of fundamentalism as a force in American religion. These three factors then hit the fan at the same time. Kids in droves were coming home from school with these new textbooks discussing evolution just as the militant atheists were preaching this new “ethic of knowledge”, and when Fundamentalism was on the rise. While the mainstream Protestant denominations basically stood on the sideline, the evangelicals, pentecostals and other fundamentalist groups got themselves organized for an all-out war. The war was against this newly developed view of evolution as atheism that was being promoted by many prominent atheists themselves.

And, so we began to see the school battles, the Creationist “ministries”, etc. Further, the new anti-evolution movement went even further than the original objections. It began to argue against ANY evolution, even for plants and animals, and even revived the concept of a young earth!

All very sad, if you ask me. And I see that much of the blame has to be laid at the doorstep of some of these militant atheists who created the very “strawmen” that we now oppose. While this is no longer being preached by atheists, the unfortunate use of evolution to support their political and social agenda at the time has stuck. Evolution has been touched with the Tar Baby of atheism, but it was the atheists themselves who did this to a great extent.

The question for us Christians is whether we will buy into the Atheistic misrepresentation of evolution, which only does damage to Christianity itself.
 

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Vance said:
I just posted this over in the Creation and Evolution forum, but thought it was relevant here as well:

While there were a variety of factors involved, including what was happening within the religious communities themselves, I found one major factor very interesting: the culpability of certain militant atheists.

At the same time, while evolution was all the rage, a couple of atheists, Julian Huxley and GG Simpson (and, to a lesser extent, Mayr), began to preach a religion of philosophical naturalism. Yes, they actually used the term “religion” for their own approach, although they meant it as in counterpoint to true religious belief. They began using evolution to support their naturalistic atheism, asserting loudly that all morality and ethics could be determined through rational knowledge. They viewed evolution as a progressive process and preached it as a foundation of their naturalistic philosophy. And it was not long before the entire concept of evolution became associated with atheism in a way that it never had before.


I first encountered creationism in the 1950s and it was the more sedate Old Earth type. Even after I broke with it, I never saw it as something threatening. Live & let live.

It was the discovery of young-earth creationism that led to me getting involved in this debate. Interestingly, the very first YEC lecture I went to, the speaker used an atheist definition of evolution from Julian Huxley and insisted that this atheist definition was THE definition of evolution.

I do think militant atheists have certainly contributed to the evolution=atheism mindset and I am glad to see that even other atheist and agnostic scientists like Niles Eldredge, have taken them to task over this.

And I can certainly understand the fervour of any believer who accepts that evolution=atheism in opposing evolution. But it is the wrong tactic. What really needs to happen is to oppose the misrepresentation of evolution as atheism, by either atheists or creationists.
 
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And it was not long before the entire concept of evolution became associated with atheism in a way that it never had before.

Was this not what I was saying before that atheism is associated with evolution and atheists push evolution as proof of atheism?
I went to, the speaker used an atheist definition of evolution from Julian Huxley and insisted that this atheist definition was THE definition of evolution.


Wow I sometimes wish there really was a definition of evolution. Something that was up to date and people stuck to. But the hardest thing about evolution is that is evolves. No arguement sticks against evolution because no two evolutionists believe the same thing. I've had evolutionary arguements with atheists and liberal christians on seperate occasions and one person has said 'no one believes in gradual evolution - its completely been outdated and shown to be false' then the next day with another biologist/anthorpologist etc I've been told 'no one believes evolution happens via mutation anymore that has been proved to be nonsense years ago'. What can you do when very inteligent people with degrees in evolutionary based topics argue unknowingly against eachother while believing the same sacrosanct truth?

If only evolution could be understood and writen down if only it really existed and if only its proponents actually believed similar things. Then you could argue with them.

I very much agree that the incorrect evolutionary scarecrow is a self defeating arguement. But then you have to pick one persons definition because you can't argue against all the different opposing evolutionary beliefs at the same time!
 
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There are two parts to evolution. The first everyone agrees on (and I do mean everyone in the scientific community, even the ID guys). The second has been debated and revised, discussed and fought over.

The first is what we call the "fact" of evolution. THis is that species have evolved over billions of years from earlier, common ancestors. This everyone (other than those with literal readings of Genesis, and thus a religious reason to NOT believe it) has accepted from almost the beginning. THere is ample evidence for this and it is not in dispute.

The second is the actual mechanism for this change. While MOST agree that it is a combination of natural selection, genetic mutation, genetic drift, etc, this area is still being debated, investigated and discovered. Thus, the varying opinions and changes in the theory over time, as we learn more.

Unfortunately, when Creationists point to these disagreements and changes (which is actually just good science), they conveniently forget the first part of complete agreement.
 
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Eluzai said:

Was this not what I was saying before that atheism is associated with evolution and atheists push evolution as proof of atheism?


Wow I sometimes wish there really was a definition of evolution.


There is. Evolution = species change over time. Or more formally, evolution is a change in the frequency of alleles from one generation to another. Or Darwin's original formulation "descent with modification". There is no significant difference among these. And none of them call for atheism. They simply describe an observed phenomenon to which we have given the name "evolution".

The YEC speaker refused to use a neutral scientific definition of evolution because he wanted his audience to confuse evolution with atheism.



I've had evolutionary arguements with atheists and liberal christians on seperate occasions and one person has said 'no one believes in gradual evolution - its completely been outdated and shown to be false' then the next day with another biologist/anthorpologist etc I've been told 'no one believes evolution happens via mutation anymore that has been proved to be nonsense years ago'.

But you see, these are not disagreements about what evolution is or whether evolution happens. They are all disagreements about how evolution happens. Must evolution be gradual or is that an out-dated idea? Are mutations the driving force of evolution, or is it natural selection or genetic drift?

To be sure, scientists are disagreeing all the time over how evolution happens. But they agree on what it is and they agree it does happen. And they agree that mutations and natural selection and genetic drift are all part of the story, even if they don't agree on how important each one is.
 
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What is important is that even the ID scientists (the only real scientists in the "anti-evolution" movements that I have seen) agree on the "fact" of evolution, meaning the fact that species have developed over time from earlier species from common ancestors. They just also disagree on the mechanics, because they believe that GOD is the mechanism for this evolutionary change! All they oppose is that this process can happen entirely naturally without an intelligent designer having developed the process and then managing it.
 
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Yes, I would say that Dawkins is the successor to that line of argument.

What is important is that Creationists spend their time trying to attack the science of evolution, when their target should the be naturalistic philosophy which so many atheists ascribe to. Evolution is not the PRODUCT of such thinking, it is being USED by such thinking for their own ends, and Creationists are actually aiding them in this endeavor.
 
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Well, what does separate ID from Creationism is that the ID guys accept that the earth is billions of years old and most accept that the species evolved from common ancestors. They just insist that the process of evolution requires God to be directly involved, and not let it act as a natural process like photosynthesis.
 
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