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The middle class is shrinking

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Middle income by definition is the middle quintile of all incomes in the US.

How can a statistical value be shrinking?

The middle fifth will always be the middle fifth.

I suspect that the middle fifth earns less money than in the past. Statistics. :)
 
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Students wanting free tuition while paying no taxes will vote for it too

Well, I believe that only applies to California residents and since most college kids entering college only have a couple years of work under their belt it's their parents taxes that support this.

Kind of like the reverse of Social Security where retirees get their money from the hard work of the people doing the work today.

Yet when tax rates get hiked it's always the oldesters who complain.

I lived in a town once where I had no kids in school (don't have any kids so I would never see any advantage from the school system) but the town had a lot of seniors many of whom probably had kids that went through the town's schools. So when a tax referendum went through to increase taxes for the school systems my wife and I voted for it, but it was largely voted against by the senior citizens.

Guess the real "gimme generation" got theirs out of the system so didn't see the need to pay into it anymore.

I felt proud of myself because my wife and I will never have kids in that school system yet we voted ourselves a tax increase to help others.

But hey, I don't much care about the real "gimme generation". People who complain about socialism yet make every use of Medicare and Social Security the very second it is available.

I can't help people who's hypocrisy knows no bounds.
 
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Well, I believe that only applies to California residents and since most college kids entering college only have a couple years of work under their belt it's their parents taxes that support this.

Kind of like the reverse of Social Security where retirees get their money from the hard work of the people doing the work today.

Yet when tax rates get hiked it's always the oldesters who complain.

I lived in a town once where I had no kids in school (don't have any kids so I would never see any advantage from the school system) but the town had a lot of seniors many of whom probably had kids that went through the town's schools. So when a tax referendum went through to increase taxes for the school systems my wife and I voted for it, but it was largely voted against by the senior citizens.

Guess the real "gimme generation" got theirs out of the system so didn't see the need to pay into it anymore.

I felt proud of myself because my wife and I will never have kids in that school system yet we voted ourselves a tax increase to help others.

But hey, I don't much care about the real "gimme generation". People who complain about socialism yet make every use of Medicare and Social Security the very second it is available.

I can't help people who's hypocrisy knows no bounds.
You think it's hypocrisy for people to use the programs they were forced to pay for all their working lives? That's interesting.
 
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To stay in the middle fifth, then EVERYBODY is earning less money.

That's not true. If you divide the population into 5 parts, and the top 1 part gets drastically richer while the bottom 4 get poorer, the middle 5th has lost money while the top 5th hasn't. That's whats currently happening, and indeed means the middle class is shrinking.
 
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What do we want and do we want to pay for it?
Evidentially we want the benefits that come from corporate greed, which is a shrinking middle-class, a lot more than the benefits that come from helping those in need.

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That's not true. If you divide the population into 5 parts, and the top 1 part gets drastically richer while the bottom 4 get poorer, the middle 5th has lost money while the top 5th hasn't. That's whats currently happening, and indeed means the middle class is shrinking.

The division is by income, not by population.

MIDDLE INCOME.
 
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Middle income by definition is the middle quintile of all incomes in the US.

How can a statistical value be shrinking?

The middle fifth will always be the middle fifth.


Middle class, not middle income.

The middle class is any class of people in the middle of a societal hierarchy. In Weberian socio-economic terms, the middle class is the broad group of people in contemporary society who fall socio-economically between the working class and upper class.

The common measures of what constitutes middle class vary significantly between cultures. In urban India, for example, a family is considered middle class if it resides in an owner-occupied property. In the United States and Canada many families where the primary income-earner is employed in a white collar job are considered part of the middle class. Moreover, most North Americans would take issue with a definition of middle-class which excluded the working class, i.e. 'classic Weberian'. (Hard work is generally held in high honour, fairness and equality are common law, and the North American economy was built upon traditionally labour intensive industries.)

Middle class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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MachZer0

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Middle class, not middle income.

The middle class is any class of people in the middle of a societal hierarchy. In Weberian socio-economic terms, the middle class is the broad group of people in contemporary society who fall socio-economically between the working class and upper class.

The common measures of what constitutes middle class vary significantly between cultures. In urban India, for example, a family is considered middle class if it resides in an owner-occupied property. In the United States and Canada many families where the primary income-earner is employed in a white collar job are considered part of the middle class. Moreover, most North Americans would take issue with a definition of middle-class which excluded the working class, i.e. 'classic Weberian'. (Hard work is generally held in high honour, fairness and equality are common law, and the North American economy was built upon traditionally labour intensive industries.)

Middle class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You might want to run that by the author of the linked article who wrote:
Not even half of California's families are middle class anymore as the recession and its aftermath widened the gap between rich and poor, according to a new report.
Three decades ago, 60 percent of California families could count themselves in what the Public Policy Institute of California calls the "middle-income" bracket. Not rich but doing reasonably well, the middle class formed a comfortable majority and shared the state's prosperity.
he conflates the two so middle class as middle income is the topic at hand here
 
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Interesting. $156K puts your family in the upper class and $43K puts it in the lower class. I guess we have to blame the DINKS and the illegal aliens for that "shrinking" middle class in California.

Yeah, because Republicans---especially California Republicans---have never supported open borders, either. But hey, keep right on believing "Democrat=Bad, Republican=Good."
 
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You think it's hypocrisy for people to use the programs they were forced to pay for all their working lives? That's interesting.

You think it's not hypocrisy to rail against socialism while using socialist government programs?
 
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Yeah, because Republicans---especially California Republicans---have never supported open borders, either. But hey, keep right on believing "Democrat=Bad, Republican=Good."
Funny!! I didn't say anything in my post about Republicans or Democrats
 
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MachZer0

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You think it's not hypocrisy to rail against socialism while using socialist government programs?
No, I don't. If you have been forced by law to pay into a system you should fully benefit from the system regardless of whether or not you think the system should be in place.
 
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MachZer0

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Isn't that pretty much the basic idea of objectivism? All people act in their own self interest.
Perhaps that's why the Constitution was not written with the intent of everyone being allowed to vote for either the President or for their Senators. And perhaps that will ultimately bring about our downfall
 
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