And perhaps the love and compassion by the other animals does not exist and therefore is not subject to being recognized.
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And perhaps the love and compassion by the other animals does not exist and therefore is not subject to being recognized.Perhaps you just have not learned, or a better description would be forgotten, the language required to recognize such all around.
If you are referring to the ego by which you are conditioned to identify with throughout your up bring and societal identity... I would say no, that is not the true-you. I think this essay by Osho best describes what I am trying to get across, it's lengthy but well worth the read >>>
http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm
But you, if the wife escapes, divorces you, goes to somebody else, you are completely shattered - because she had been paying attention to you, caring, loving, moving around you, helping you to feel that you were somebody. Your whole empire is lost, you are simply shattered. You start thinking about suicide. Why? Why, if a wife leaves you, should you commit suicide? Why, if a husband leaves you, should you commit suicide? Because you don't have any center of your own. The wife was giving you the center; the husband was giving you the center.
This is how people exist. This is how people become dependent on others. It is a deep slavery. Ego HAS to be a slave. It depends on others. And only a person who has no ego is for the first time a master; he is no longer a slave. Try to understand this.
Help when "you" need it? That is not an expression of love and compassion, that's an indication of your selfish identity.Simply being alive and breathing is not a showing of compassion and love on the part of the one doing the breathing. My body becoming worm food when I die is not a showing of love and compassion on my part. Someone going to a lot of trouble to help me when I need it, is a showing of love and compassion more than simply living and breathing without helping me would be.
Of course to love and respect other beings, friends, family, etcetera throughout one's life is not only a good thing but a beautiful thing. But I think you're confusing a sense of ownership with love.Love is real and it is good, not slavery. Having a relationship with others that brings pain if it is severed is a good thing, not slavery and not a bad thing. All of life that matters is about relationships with others. It is good to remain with your wife for decades and love her and receive love from her and much happiness is possible in this relationship. It would be a bad thing to leave her and go sit under a tree and meditate your life away. Being completely self sufficient and impervious to the world around you and being unaffected by what happens to those around you is not Heaven and not enlightened. When this body dies and becomes dust, if the Creator does not take you home with Him to live with Him, you will be dead and you will not live again. Worms etc. living as the result of digesting your body will not change that.
Love is real and it is good, not slavery. Having a relationship with others that brings pain if it is severed is a good thing, not slavery and not a bad thing. All of life that matters is about relationships with others. It is good to remain with your wife for decades and love her and receive love from her and much happiness is possible in this relationship. It would be a bad thing to leave her and go sit under a tree and meditate your life away. Being completely self sufficient and impervious to the world around you and being unaffected by what happens to those around you is not Heaven and not enlightened. When this body dies and becomes dust, if the Creator does not take you home with Him to live with Him, you will be dead and you will not live again. Worms etc. living as the result of digesting your body will not change that.
You misread what I wrote. I was talking about someone showing love to me.=Mysticus;37117437]Help when "you" need it? That is not an expression of love and compassion, that's an indication of your selfish identity.
Yes I need air to breath and live, but air is not love. Other animals showing empathy does not make them equal with humans in the ability to be empathic with others.I have already posted links to examples in which other forms of life have exhibited empathy, and those are just a few of the known examples, while I would suspect there plenty more that have never been recognized by the media. But an even greater perspective is that if it were not for the likes of worms aerating the soil for planets to grow along with the likes of the flora and fauna of the waters and soils of the world, "you" wouldn't have breath of air or a bite to eat.
Which is the way things are and has nothing to do with loving action.And like you said, what is the body is but an aspect of that process... the body eats food, and indeed is and will be food.
Thomas is a gnostic gospel and may or may not be quoting exactly what Jesus said. Jesus was not saying my body is the kingdom of God. He was saying the kingdom of God was not of this world. It is like God Himself, spiritual which mean not physical.The Universe is home, while change is a constant, IT never began and IT will never end... consciousness is the Well-Spring of Creation; Now.
3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you. --- Gospel of Thomas
To elaborate some on mysticism in respects to Christian art, Jesus Christ wearing the crown or emanating a halo is symbolic of Enlightenment, while pointing at his heart is symbolic of Understanding, the flame that is often associated with the sacred heart is symbolic of Life. The shape surrounds Jesus Christ in this picture is called Vesica Piscis and is the shape that occurs when two circles intersect each other's center. Therefore Vesica Piscis is symbolic of the making of the two into One.
22. Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples, "These nursing babies are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him, "Then shall we enter the kingdom as babies?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]." -Gospel of Thomas
You are correct that I am not a canidate for belief in the gnostics ideas of the world being made up of peices of Sophia, the god of Wisdom etc. It seems to me when one says the Creator is not separate from the Created we have no Creator and I am fairly sure I am not God and not the Creator so I am not easily convinced otherwise. Buddah taught some things I agree with expecially when he was encouraging love for others, but reincarnation and getting to enlightenment on my own effort without any help from God is not reasonable to me. I agree that many things in the Bible and concerning diving truth are written symbolic terms but I get the feeling you have pushed the symbolism to the point there is no substance, no reality at the core. I am not trying to be offensive and hope you will understand I am simply expressing my reactions to your postings. I fully understand I am making many mistakes in trying to understand divine reality.
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