The Masonic Concept of God

[Albion]

No, no, no, Albion. Not getting away with this one. You lashed out at me for being a fundamentalist

Nonsense. I simply noted that you are a fundamentalist.

I didn't "lash out" at anyone or anything in so doing. I know plenty of fundamentalists who are even-tempered, congenial, and not at all incensed that there are other Christian churches.

 

[duane washum]

What you write on the internet is out there. Spin it all you wish, but you wrote what you wrote.

 

[Rush 5]

Im not a mason but I do have friends who are and study the same subjects as I do so Im like a real "free" mason without the actual lodge. Their core belief is "Neoplatonistic" or "Gnostic" in nature its about the planets and geometry, alchemy and self improvement. Too bad Christians forgot about their roots and just started parroting the Bible without any clue as to what is actually written there. The Bible is an encoded hermetical work and should not be interpreted literally although it still makes some sense even on that basic level.

 

[Albion]

Im not a mason but I do have friends who are and study the same subjects as I do so Im like a real "free" mason without the actual lodge. Their core belief is "Neoplatonistic" or "Gnostic" in nature its about the planets and geometry, alchemy and self improvement. Too bad Christians forgot about their roots and just started parroting the Bible without any clue as to what is actually written there. The Bible is an encoded hermetical work and should not be interpreted literally although it still makes some sense even on that basic level.

I doubt that it's possible to be a real Mason without any personal experience of the lodge and its teachings. I also have to question what you call the "core beliefs." However, Masonry does call upon its members to strive for self-improvement and knowledge.

When it comes to the lodge's core beliefs concerning God (which is what got this particular discussion going) there is only one--monotheism. Beyond that, it is reasonable to conclude also that God is concerned about his creation (hence, no Deism) and will reward his own after their deaths.

 

[Rush 5]

I doubt that it's possible to be a real Mason without any personal experience of the lodge and its teachings. I also have to question what you call the "core beliefs." However, Masonry does call upon its members to strive for self-improvement and knowledge.

I don't aspire to be a Mason and what I said was a pun on being "free" from any lodge and its oath of silence and other nonsense.

My teacher is Mercury himself and I have access to higher planes of understanding then any Mason or Rosicrucian. My degree is Hierophant, which pretty much makes me the Supreme Authority on all religion on this planet and the Supreme Mason.

BTW Albion is a made up name, its supposed to be Albania.

 

[Albion]

I doubt that it's possible to be a real Mason without any personal experience of the lodge and its teachings. I also have to question what you call the "core beliefs." However, Masonry does call upon its members to strive for self-improvement and knowledge.

I don't aspire to be a Mason and what I said was a pun on being "free" from any lodge and its oath of silence

I understood that, Rush. My comment there was about the description of Freemasonry as being "Neoplatonistic" or "Gnostic." Perhaps I should rather have asked you to explain your observation further, but it's not that critical.

My teacher is Mercury himself and I have access to higher planes of understanding then any Mason or Rosicrucian. My degree is Hierophant, which pretty much makes me the Supreme Authority on all religion on this planet and the Supreme Mason.

Thanks for the clarification, Rush. You have a nice day.

 

[Rush 5]

What does this passage mean to you, Albion? If you don't mind me asking?

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

 

[Simpleman25]

What you write on the internet is out there. Spin it all you wish, but you wrote what you wrote.

All I read was that he said you were a fundamentalist. How exactly was that spun?

 

[duane washum]

I guess it's the way he put it as though that is something to accuse a Christian of being, which, of course, is not the first time that term has been used by Masons in a derogatory manner.

 

[Simpleman25]

I guess it's the way he put it as though that is something to accuse a Christian of being, which, of course, is not the first time that term has been used by Masons in a derogatory manner.

I have reread his comments, and nothing seems derogatory in the way he put it.

It just appears that some folks just might have a thinner skin than others.

IMO calling someone a fundamentalist can cut both ways. Most all of us Christians believe in the same things. However, there are those out there that claim to know all and see all. Those are the fundys that scare me to death since not one human being on earth has the ability to know 100% of what God thinks, does and says.

Those that think that for some reason they are superior to other Christians based on some super knowledge they claim to have. Funny thing is, they don't. As Ive said on numerous occasions, I feel those groups have done more harm to Christianity than good.

You know the type. Instead of spreading Gods love and word in conjunction with other Christians, they blast other Christians for not believing exactly as they do. Or they make outrageous claims as to who is and who is not a Christian. Imagine if someone or group actually possessed that much knowledge! Unfortunately those groups don't know anymore than us run of the mill Christians that go through life preaching the gospel of love and forgiveness.

 

[Albion]

I guess it's the way he put it as though that is something to accuse a Christian of being, which, of course, is not the first time that term has been used by Masons in a derogatory manner.

Gotta love those ad hominum attacks and "as though" comments, huh? Some people get a lot of mileage out of them. For the record, here's how I described your faith--using the word you have used for yourself:

Washum is a fundamentalist and doesn't believe it's right to belong to any clubs, etc. in which men of different faiths gather....

Feel free to point out what's unfair to fundamentalists in that and what part of it amounts to "lash out."

 

[duane washum]

Yes, I know what you mean. It's kinda like those Christians who think anything goes when it comes to communicating with pagans, including joining them in corporate prayer to the demon spirits they pray to, and embracing their works-based salvific teachings that reject the exclusivity of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

 

[Simpleman25]

Yes, I know what you mean. It's kinda like those Christians who think anything goes when it comes to communicating with pagans, including joining them in corporate prayer to the demon spirits they pray to, and embracing their works-based salvific teachings that reject the exclusivity of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Your comments make no sense. I think you were responding to me, but I'm not sure.

If you are, no where in my post did I mention any of those outlandish ideas put forth in your latest post.

I'm not aware of any Christians that do those things you mentioned.

How about showing us where albion reportedly spoke ill of fundamentalist.

 

[Albion]

Your comments make no sense.

That was my first reaction, too. As we all know, "kinda like" is nothing. It's what someone says when musing aloud about some stray thought.

And the reference to "pagans" is supposed, I guess, to be an insult, yet we all know that a pagan doesn't meet the membership requirements of Freemasonry, so the idea of a Christian Mason praying with a pagan is not even worth a denial, it's so farfetched.

How about showing us where albion reportedly spoke ill of fundamentalist.

 

[duane washum]

And the reference to "pagans" is supposed, I guess, to be an insult, yet we all know that a pagan doesn't meet the membership requirements of Freemasonry, so the idea of a Christian Mason praying with a pagan is not even worth a denial, it's so farfetched.

The basic requirement is that one must believe in the existence of a supreme being. It appears as though your statement is causing confusion within the Craft

According to many links to be found on the internet, there is nothing to prohibit a pagan from becoming a Mason. Also found this article to be of particular interest:
After Florida Grand Master Ruling, Pagans and Freemasons Speak Out | The Wild Hunt

 

[Albion]

The basic requirement is that one must believe in the existence of a supreme being. It appears as though your statement is causing confusion within the Craft

You give me too much credit.

Possibly the "problem" is to be found with the word pagan, a word that is often used imprecisely.

Incidentally, Duane, belief in a "supreme being" is not the requirement for membership. It's monotheism. Modern day, self-styled Wiccans and others who take the word "Pagan" for themselves customarily believe in a number of gods, although one may be superior to the others.

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[duane washum]

Then perhaps the Grand Master in Florida used it imprecisely???

 

[Simpleman25]

He's free to use the term how he chooses. No one person speaks for freemasonry.

Now how about you show us where albion spoke ill about fundamentalist.

 

[clivwill]

free masonry is a cult, nothing more

 

[Albion]

free masonry is a cult, nothing more

The word has meaning only in connection with a religious organization, and Masonry cannot be a cult because it isn't a religion or church.