The Mandami effect

[iluvatar5150]

Yes, we have:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/16/us/defund-police-minneapolis.html

You didn't read that article, did you?

A significant chunk of it is about how the movement failed to push through its policies and how the department wasn't defunded.

 

[rambot]

Yes, we have:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/16/us/defund-police-minneapolis.html

Paywall. Can't comment on article.
Also, I feel very unlikely you read the article either so not really interested in bringing up and debate content that you don't know either.

Find an article we can read. Don't be disinenguous.

Everything i've read is that they didn't even defund the police anyways....not in any tangible way....besides, nobody on city still holds those views.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Paywall. Can't comment on article.
Also, I feel very unlikely you read the article either so not really interested in bringing up and debate content that you don't know either.

Find an article we can read. Don't be disinenguous.

Everything i've read is that they didn't even defund the police anyways....not in any tangible way....besides, nobody on city still holds those views.

Here's a gift link:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/16/us/defund-police-minneapolis.html?unlocked_article_code=1.zU8.RaUS.OSOg4pM3YOhX&smid=url-share

 

[PloverWing]

Paywall. Can't comment on article.

Here you go, everyone: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/16/...e_code=1.zU8.Wgv3.JqOjcemgW7k9&smid=url-share

The article talks about how violence from police officers is a problem, but also you need police because there are genuine criminals, and also police officers have to make difficult split-second decisions, and the difficulty of balancing all that.

The article concludes with these paragraphs:

Last year, when city officials were looking for an experienced leader to take the reins of the understaffed and embattled police force, they zeroed in on Brian O’Hara, who was then a deputy mayor in Newark, N.J. The job was a minefield, but Mr. O’Hara said he was instantly interested.

“Everyone thought I was nuts,” he said.

Mr. O’Hara had played a leading role overseeing a period of transformation that followed a 2014 Justice Department report that found that officers in Newark routinely violated people’s civil rights. In a deeply polarized city, he saw an opportunity to rebuild trust by healing wounds that had been festering for generations.

“People think you either unleash the cops and deal with crime or you respect human rights,” Mr. O’Hara said. “I know from what I lived through in Newark that you can do both at the same time.”

But few doubt the difficulty of that balancing act and the depth of the chasm that remains between minority communities and the police.

Sheriff Dawanna S. Witt of Hennepin County, which includes Minneapolis, is the most senior Black law enforcement official in the city. But when she’s on the road in an unmarked car, the sight of a patrol car behind her fills her with fear, she said. She may be the sheriff, but in those moments she feels the city’s troubled past viscerally.

“If a squad car gets behind me, to this day, I get nervous,” she said.

 

[PloverWing]

Here's a gift link:

Ah, you beat me to it!

 

[iluvatar5150]

 

[Nithavela]

Oh look, it's the "give Trump his honeymoon period" crowd claiming Mamdani has already failed before being inaugurated.

 

[rambot]

It’s amazing the effect a young, Muslim socialist from Africa seems to have on the right.

The amount of consernation they have seem hilariously misplaced.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Oh look, it's the "give Trump his honeymoon period" crowd claiming Mamdani has already failed before being inaugur

47 post - not one refers to Trump - unless the poster have blocked did, but even they would not make that stretch, or I don't think they would.

He (Trump) certainly lives big in some peoples minds

 

[7thKeeper]

Yes, we have:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/16/us/defund-police-minneapolis.html

Says something about your arguement when you post links to an article that disproves what you're claiming. At least read them before hand. This isn't the first time this happened.

 

[Larniavc]

This is the second thread about Mandami created in less than three hours. However, this is not unexpected.

I confidently expect multiple threads opened vilifying this guy for reason that will rarely survive the most remedial of fact checking.

 

[Nithavela]

I confidently expect multiple threads opened vilifying this guy for reason that will rarely survive the most remedial of fact checking.

I think that in a week or so, people will find something else that occupies their minds.

 

[Desk trauma]

I think that in a week or so, people will find something else that occupies their minds.

With the president and congressional republicans set to do all they can to interfere with his tenure as NYC mayor I think we’re going to hear about him a lot.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

He (Trump) certainly lives big in some peoples minds

President Trump has a significant impact on people's lives as the President of the United States. Whether people support him or not, his actions and words affect Americans and often many others globally. Asking participants in a political forum not to mention President Trump is like asking them not to breathe air.

 

[Bradskii]

He (Trump) certainly lives big in some peoples minds

Isn't he the guy who is meant to be running the country? And as this thread is in the American politics section...

 

[BCP1928]

He (Trump) certainly lives big in some peoples minds

He's become a meme.

 

[A2SG]

I confidently expect multiple threads opened vilifying this guy for reason that will rarely survive the most remedial of fact checking.

It will last at least until MAGA finds something else to distract people from Trump's failures as President.

-- A2SG, it's become a full time job for some of them....

 

[Bradskii]

It will last at least until MAGA finds something else to distract people from Trump's failures as President.

-- A2SG, it's become a full time job for some of them....

This I just...don't...get.

Our Australian PM is someone I generally support. I celebrated his huge win a few months ago. The opposition is in complete disarray. He has the opportunity to make some big changes in Australia. Almost all of which I support. But does the sun shine out of the back of his trousers? Not by a long chalk.

I could easily list 3 or 4 things that he's done (or not done) which makes me angry. And another half dozen that I'm dissapointed with. But I obviously can't possibly expect him to deal with everything exactly as I would want.

But do we see that from Trump supporters in this forum? Chance would be a fine thing. There is nothing he has done or could do that would raise an eyebrow from most of them. It's not just all good. It's all better than anyone has ever seen!

I wish they could see how monstrously ridiculous it makes them look.

 

[A2SG]

This I just...don't...get.

Our Australian PM is someone I generally support. I celebrated his huge win a few months ago. The opposition is in complete disarray. He has the opportunity to make some big changes in Australia. Almost all of which I support. But does the sun shine out of the back of his trousers? Not by a long chalk.

I could easily list 3 or 4 things that he's done (or not done) which makes me angry. And another half dozen that I'm dissapointed with. But I obviously can't possibly expect him to deal with everything exactly as I would want.

But do we see that from Trump supporters in this forum? Chance would be a fine thing. There is nothing he has done or could do that would raise an eyebrow from most of them. It's not just all good. It's all better than anyone has ever seen!

I wish they could see how monstrously ridiculous it makes them look.

Hey, if you're supporting someone who has been proven guilty of fraud as many times as Trump has, including 34 felonies, you don't have a lot of room to maneuver. You've got little choice but to go all in.

-- A2SG, loyalty to Fearless Leader is absolute!!

 

[Nithavela]

This I just...don't...get.

Our Australian PM is someone I generally support. I celebrated his huge win a few months ago. The opposition is in complete disarray. He has the opportunity to make some big changes in Australia. Almost all of which I support. But does the sun shine out of the back of his trousers? Not by a long chalk.

I could easily list 3 or 4 things that he's done (or not done) which makes me angry. And another half dozen that I'm dissapointed with. But I obviously can't possibly expect him to deal with everything exactly as I would want.

But do we see that from Trump supporters in this forum? Chance would be a fine thing. There is nothing he has done or could do that would raise an eyebrow from most of them. It's not just all good. It's all better than anyone has ever seen!

I wish they could see how monstrously ridiculous it makes them look.

It's quite genius, actually. There is no infighting. All force is directed towards the opposition. Modern conservatives are willing to accept the good with the bad, while the left is routinely tearing itself apart because of minor disagreements and can't find it's direction because it believes that the direction actually matters.

I think it speaks to the mind which craves stability and tribal unity. It's not "us struggling to find the best way forward for the good of all in a complicated, shifting world". It's "us versus them". That's powerful. Tribal. Instinctual. All that intelligence can't fight the instincts of hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.