The Major Problem with Calvinism...

[Missionary Joshua]

The Major Problem with Calvinism is that the people attacking it describe something that I don't recognize as being my beliefs...

For example...

"Frozen Chosen" - I am anything but frozen. I am very passionate about evangelism, missions, education, discipleship. I have been before these things have become fashionable...

How many Calvinists here are frustrated that when being academically attacked our position is GROSSLY misrepresented?

 

[heymikey80]

The Major Problem with Calvinism is that the people attacking it describe something that I don't recognize as being my beliefs...

For example...

"Frozen Chosen" - I am anything but frozen. I am very passionate about evangelism, missions, education, discipleship. I have been before these things have become fashionable...

How many Calvinists here are frustrated that when being academically attacked our position is GROSSLY misrepresented?

Yep.

Just a peek at General Theology and Soteriology forums here confirm that fact. Calvinism is grossly misrepresented here.

 

[Glorthac]

When was the last time you saw ANY trinitarian Christian at your doorstep like the JW's? They should stop being hypocrites.

 

[Missionary Joshua]

Yep.

Just a peek at General Theology and Soteriology forums here confirm that fact. Calvinism is grossly misrepresented here.

To clarify, by misrepresentation, I mean they attack a straw man that has nothing to do with calvinism or is an example of hyper-calvinism and base their entire protest on that.

 

[xapis]

Frozen chosen? The Bible tells us that the dead in Christ shall rise first... I guess that means us.

 

[kenrapoza]

I agree. I've found that "calvinism" is one of the most misunderstood major theological positions. And I mean misunderstood not only by the critics, but also by people who claim to be "calvinists" but have no clue what the real heart of reformed soteriology is!

 

[Missionary Joshua]

I agree. I've found that "calvinism" is one of the most misunderstood major theological positions. And I mean misunderstood not only by the critics, but also by people who claim to be "calvinists" but have no clue what the real heart of reformed soteriology is!

For example... BILL CLINTON

Bill Clinton: “I’m too much of a Calvinist.” | PhilGons.com

 

[green wolverine]

The Major Problem with Calvinism is that the people attacking it describe something that I don't recognize as being my beliefs...

For example...

"Frozen Chosen" - I am anything but frozen. I am very passionate about evangelism, missions, education, discipleship. I have been before these things have become fashionable...

How many Calvinists here are frustrated that when being academically attacked our position is GROSSLY misrepresented?

I think the term frozen chosen refers to the fact that a lot of Calvinists tend to be more intellectual and reserved by nature. I know I am...

 

[kenrapoza]

I think the term frozen chosen refers to the fact that a lot of Calvinists tend to be more intellectual and reserved by nature. I know I am...

True, but it's also because the Reformed believe in an orderly worship service.

 

[Saved4ever]

It is one of the hardest things to tell anouther christian. But having grown up moving around alot, I got to go to alot of different churches and of all the theologies that I have heard, reformed is 100% the most Biblicial.

 

[green wolverine]

I think people have a problem with Calvinism because there is a contradiction, when one is created to do evil why does God get angry when one does the evil? Why does God punish the person that has no choice but to do what he was created to do?
The bible tells us God is loves us and has showed us his love by sending his son.
What about if you see the other side of the coin, God is evil and hates people because God created people to molest babies and rape women.
I'm not saying God is evil just from Calvinist view he is.
I guess I just don't get how could you believe God causes evil but is not evil?

Since you aren't a Calvinist, you might want to stick to your own forum rather than come here and tell us God is evil.

 

[kenrapoza]

Originally Posted by orthedoxy

I think people have a problem with Calvinism because there is a contradiction, when one is created to do evil why does God get angry when one does the evil? Why does God punish the person that has no choice but to do what he was created to do?
The bible tells us God is loves us and has showed us his love by sending his son.
What about if you see the other side of the coin, God is evil and hates people because God created people to molest babies and rape women.
I'm not saying God is evil just from Calvinist view he is.
I guess I just don't get how could you believe God causes evil but is not evil?​

Since you aren't a Calvinist, you might want to stick to your own forum rather than come here and tell us God is evil.

green wolverine,

Where is that post that you were responding to? I couldn't find it on this thread. Either way, that is a perfect example of a completely ridiculous and malicious misrepresentation of reformed belief. How could anybody actually believe that such an asinine statement is actually representative of "calvinism." Even though that statement requires a response, any response given would be granting it more dignity than it actually deserves.

Sorry for the harsh rhetoric, but my blood pressure kind of shot up there!

 

[green wolverine]

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green wolverine,

Where is that post that you were responding to? I couldn't find it on this thread. Either way, that is a perfect example of a completely ridiculous and malicious misrepresentation of reformed belief. How could anybody actually believe that such an asinine statement is actually representative of "calvinism." Even though that statement requires a response, any response given would be granting it more dignity than it actually deserves.

Sorry for the harsh rhetoric, but my blood pressure kind of shot up there!

I reported as well as telling this guy that we don't want to hear his nonsense. The post was removed. I did check out this guy's stats and he appears to only come on to post nonsense in our forum. This is the first time he's post since 2007.

 

[Missionary Joshua]

And the award for first place in proving my point goes to ORTHODOXY!!!!!

I have this quote on my emails which I occasionally put in the signature...

I often find it amazing that [theological] liberals have this knack for writing cohesive organized thoughts, but they lack the ability to actually read.

So thank you ORTHODOXY for proving my maxim... Good job...

I think people have a problem with Calvinism because there is a contradiction, when one is created to do evil why does God get angry when one does the evil? Why does God punish the person that has no choice but to do what he was created to do?
The bible tells us God is loves us and has showed us his love by sending his son.
What about if you see the other side of the coin, God is evil and hates people because God created people to molest babies and rape women.
I'm not saying God is evil just from Calvinist view he is.
I guess I just don't get how could you believe God causes evil but is not evil?

This is so incredibly frustrating... God is a God of Love only is the greatest lie of Theological Liberalism, God is Holy, every other aspect is grounded in His perfect Holiness.

 

[itisdeliciouscake]

When was the last time you saw ANY trinitarian Christian at your doorstep like the JW's? They should stop being hypocrites.

......

lol, guess what my main ministry in my high school years is....

=P

 

[NJBeliever]

The main problem is that Calvinism is unbiblical.

 

[mlqurgw]

The main problem is that Calvinism is unbiblical.

Prove it! Prove first that you actualy know what Calvinism is and then prove that it is unBiblical. To come in here and make such a claim without proof is pointless and disrespectful.

 

[heymikey80]

The main problem is that Calvinism is unbiblical.

The main problem is that people are unbiblical, and Calvinism is biblical.

If you want to debate this -- there's a debate discussion elsewhere. This is "ask a Calvinist" not "attack a Calvinist".

 

[NJBeliever]

The main problem is that people are unbiblical, and Calvinism is biblical.

If you want to debate this -- there's a debate discussion elsewhere. This is "ask a Calvinist" not "attack a Calvinist".

I am not attacking Calvinists. I am attacking Calvinism. I don't find it anywhere in the Bible. What is the Biblical warrant for it?

 

[NJBeliever]

Prove it! Prove first that you actualy know what Calvinism is and then prove that it is unBiblical. To come in here and make such a claim without proof is pointless and disrespectful.

I apologize for disrespecting you and anyone else. I should have substantiated my statement. You are absolutely right. I just don't find anything in the Word that supports Calvinism. I think most problems with the Neo-Calvinist movement is that are extrapolating principles from scriptures on salvation or dispensation and completely ignoring the Gospel narratives on Salvation. The life and words of Jesus completely refute Calvinism on their own. I will provide one example.

Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

If Jesus was a Calvinist, why would He say this? If Jesus created the Israelites to not be on the Pre-selected list of saved people, why would he then cry out and lament over them? Why would He say "ye would not!" It makes Jesus completely illogical. He is upset about a situation He specifically designed and planned out from the "foundation of the world." He wanted the Jews to be that way and reject Him (for His own reasons that we'll never know according to Calvinism) but then He's upset with them for doing precisely what He created them to do. It just doesn't make sense.