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The Lost Virtues of Subordination and Obedience

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“I am awfully greedy; I want everything from life. I want to be a woman and to be a man, to have many friends and to have loneliness, to work much and write good books, to travel and enjoy myself, to be selfish and to be unselfish… You see, it is difficult to get all which I want. And then when I do not succeed I get mad with anger.”

Simone de Beauvoir, Feminist


“‘The first division of labor is that between man and woman for the propagation of children. And today I can add: The first class opposition that appears in history coincides with the development of the antagonism between man and woman in monogamous marriage, and the first class oppression coincides with that of the female sex by the male.’”

Fredrick Engels, Marxist


My generation was taught to believe not only that we should define ourselves, but that anyone who dares to tell us what to do or how to live is oppressing us. These “oppressors” include our parents, whose traditions and customs are rendered obsolete when change is equated with progress. Our media and markets certainly do not help. The blessing of customization has devolved into the curse of entitlement; we are addicted to getting what we want and when we want it, with little care for how our decisions will impact us in the long run. When we cannot have things our way, from the latest phone, to parental approval of a significant other, to surgeries that reshape our bodies, we act as if we have been subjected to a grave injustice. Thus, it should come as no surprise that the following verse has proven rather scandalous today:

Brothers and sisters:
Be subordinate to one another out of reverence for Christ.

Eph 5:21-22

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The Lost Virtues of Subordination and Obedience - Clarifying Catholicism