The Lord's Day is Sunday.

Bible Highlighter said:

I misread Brother T's post and did not catch that he mentioned the weekly Sabbath in regards to Leviticus 23. So I removed what I wrote in reference to that. I thought he was ignoring the weekly Sabbath in Leviticus 23:3, but he was not. Well, it is hard to understand why he would quote Leviticus 23 as a cross reference of Colossians 2:16 in context to the word “sabbaths” and say that the weekly sabbath is not included in the topic of discussion by Paul to the Colossians. Leviticus 23:3 includes the weekly Sabbath as a holy convocation or as a holy day.

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True -- but Lev 23 also has the annual feast day "shadow" Sabbaths that were given in the form of animal sacrifices. so they are not in the TEN.

there was no animal sacrificing in Gen 2:1-4 and Ex 20:8-11 points specifically to Gen 2:1-4 as the origin for the Ten commandment - Sabbath.


Colossians 2:14 says,


By contrast as Jesus said in Mark 2 "The Sabbath was made FOR mankind" - not "against mankind"

In the OT a man - under the theocracy - a man could be killed for taking God's name in vain - ... that does not mean that in the NT it is ok to take God's name in vain.

Extreme inference alone does not carry sufficient weight to delete part of God's Word.

BobRyan said: ↑
True -- but Lev 23 also has the annual feast day "shadow" Sabbaths that were given in the form of animal sacrifices. so they are not in the TEN.

there was no animal sacrificing in Gen 2:1-4 and Ex 20:8-11 points specifically to Gen 2:1-4 as the origin for the Ten commandment - Sabbath.


Colossians 2:14 says,

“14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” (Colossians 2:14).

For as Rom 6:23 reminds us "the wages of sin is death" - a decree that is against us for having sinned. Jesus paid that debt. Our certificate of debt... paid.

By contrast as Jesus said in Mark 2 "The Sabbath was made FOR mankind" - not "against mankind"

In the OT a man - under the theocracy - a man could be killed for taking God's name in vain - ... that does not mean that in the NT it is ok to take God's name in vain.

Extreme inference alone does not carry sufficient weight to delete part of God's Word.

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Bible Highlighter said:

One more time. Leviticus 23:3 mentions the weekly sabbath

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One more time..

True -- but Lev 23 also has the annual feast day "shadow" Sabbaths that were given in the form of animal sacrifices. so they are not in the TEN.

there was no animal sacrificing in Gen 2:1-4 and Ex 20:8-11 points specifically to Gen 2:1-4 as the origin for the Ten commandment - Sabbath.

Bible Highlighter said:

Besides, as I said before, the sabbath is implied as an ordinance when reading Isaiah 58:2,

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Ordinance is authorotative decree / law .. for example "do not take God's name in vain" is an ordinance contained in the Lawl

Try something else.

Bible Highlighter said:

Yet, Paul says that Christ blotted out ordinances

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one more time...
Paul says Christ blotted out our "certificate of debt"

Colossians 2:14 says,

“14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” (Colossians 2:14).

For as Rom 6:23 reminds us "the wages of sin is death" - a decree that is against us for having sinned. Jesus paid that debt. Our certificate of debt... paid.

By contrast as Jesus said in Mark 2 "The Sabbath was made FOR mankind" - not "against mankind"

In the OT a man - under the theocracy - a man could be killed for taking God's name in vain - ... that does not mean that in the NT it is ok to take God's name in vain.

Extreme inference alone does not carry sufficient weight to delete part of God's Word.
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This is why Paul is asked by the gentiles to repeat the Gospel "again the NEXT Sabbath" - (that's right, by the Gentiles) in Acts 13 and in fact "EVERY Sabbath" in Acts 18:4

I think Sabbathtruth.com did a great job of addressing Colossians 2:14-17

Let’s first take a look at the apostle Paul's words in Colossians 2:14–17: “Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. … So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.”

When some read about the sabbath days that were shadows and that passed away at the cross, they think that Paul was referring to the weekly Sabbath, the fourth of the Ten Commandments. Is this accurate? It’s important to get this right, because our interpretation of the apostle’s actual meaning can lead us into deeper truth or into deeper error.


Two Sabbaths


First, there is nothing in the Ten Commandment law about food, drink, festivals, new moons, or sabbath days (plural). All these were actually separate laws that God gave for the physical and spiritual health of His Old Testament people; these were called ceremonial laws.


Second, Paul wrote plainly that he was speaking of “sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come,” and not of the weekly Sabbath, which is a memorial of something that happened in the past, at the creation. The contrast between a shadow and a memorial is quite clear. Indeed, the fourth commandment does not tell us to keep the seventh day as a type of something to come. It says: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ... For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it” (Exodus 20:8, 11).

Moreover, to show that he had something other than the weekly Sabbath in mind, Paul distinctly mentioned “sabbaths,” plural,” which are a shadow of things to come.” (The word “sabbath” in the Greek can be singular or plural according to Strong’s and Greek lexicons.)


Festivals and Shadows


The King James uses the word “holyday,” and some will contend that it refers to the weekly Sabbath, while the expression “sabbath days” refers to yearly sabbaths. The American Standard Version uses “feast day” instead of “holyday,” and this likely a clearer translation. The word translated “holyday” is from the Greek heorte, and in John 5:1, this same word is used to designate one of the yearly festivals of the Jews: “After this there was a feast [heorte] of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.” This is one of the holy days that Paul spoke of as having been nailed to the cross.


The “shadows” Paul mentions pointed to Jesus as a Savior from sin and were observed with that in mind. But the weekly Sabbath was made for man before sin entered into the world, before man would need atonement. The shadows pointing forward to His death as an atonement for sin certainly were not instituted until after sin. Therefore, since the weekly Sabbath was instituted before sin, just as was the marriage institution, it was not a shadow of Christ’s death as a Savior from sin; and His death did not end the Sabbath day any more than it brought marriage to an end. Both the Sabbath and marriage came to us in a perfect world.

Paul’s language shows he was referencing the shadowy ceremonies that pointed forward to and ended at the cross. Notice again, carefully, his words in Colossians 2:14: “Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” Paul mentions that these laws were “against us” and “contrary” to us. Would it be contrary to Christians to refrain from idolatry, using God’s name in vain, dishonoring parents, murder, theft, adultery, lying, and coveting—the sins rebuked by the Ten Commandments? Thus, the apostle must have been talking of another law—a law that enjoined food offerings, drink offerings, the observance of festivals, new moons, and yearly sabbaths.


Why Are These Laws Contrary to Us?


Why would the observance of these ceremonies after the death of Christ be contrary to the Christian faith? The yearly sabbath of the Passover involved killing a lamb that represented Jesus, the Lamb of God. The apostle Paul taught directly, “Indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us" (1 Corinthians 5:7). Thus, to keep offering a sacrificial lamb after His death would be to imply that Jesus had not accomplished atonement. Such an observance would be contrary to the teachings of Christianity.


Many other shadowy requirements of the ceremonial law pointed to the death of Jesus on the cross, as well. All these festivals, food and drink offerings, and sabbaths that were nailed to the cross, Paul declared to be “a shadow of things to come.” Then he adds, "But the substance is of Christ." That is, the substance that cast these shadows was Christ’s body on the cross.

Think of it this way—late in the afternoon when a tall tree casts its shadow eastward, one can begin at the farthest end of the shadow and follow it until he or she gets to the tree that casts the shadow, and there the shadow ceases to be. Likewise, we can go back to the time when “through one man [Adam] sin entered the world, and death through sin,” and there a merciful God promised to send a Redeemer (Genesis 3:15), a Substitute, to die in man’s place. To keep man continually reminded of this fact, and to supply him with a means of expressing his faith in the coming sacrifice, God instituted these ceremonies. All of these were included in the law that was not written on tables of stone.

Follow these shadowy ceremonies all the way from Eden to the time of Moses, and then through the wilderness journey and on for hundreds of years after the settlement in Canaan, and at last to Calvary—and there they cease. So it would be "against us" and "contrary" to our faith to observe these ceremonies after Jesus' death. Not so with the other law. It is just as necessary to refrain from idolatry, using God’s name in vain, dishonoring the Sabbath, murder, adultery, and theft after the cross as before. Indeed, it was the violation of these principles that caused the death of Christ. Could they have been set aside or changed to accommodate the carnal mind, Jesus need not have died.

Now with these truths before us, let us again read Colossians 2:14–17 and see how plainly Paul revealed that he did not mean that the weekly seventh-day Sabbath had been nailed to the cross: "Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. … So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."

good point.

Would people vote for Sunday as the Lord's day knowing that they have no text saying "week day 1 is the Lord's day"??

I think some would say "yes... absolutely"

BobRyan said:

good point.

Would people vote for Sunday as the Lord's day knowing that they have no text saying "week day 1 is the Lord's day"??

I think some would say "yes... absolutely"

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Unfortunately I think so too.

I would just point out that there is only one law in the OT that was specifically written to be against the Isrealites. That is the law of blessings and cursings found in the book of Deuteronomy.

Moses wrote it and had it placed in a pocket outside the ark of the covenant just before his death. It was not, as the 10 commandments were, placed beneath the mercy seat. That's an important bit of symbology to note as it shows that Moses understood it to be very different than the 10 commandments.

Deuteronomy 31: 24 ¶And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying,
26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

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In chapter 30 Moses wrote this:

Deuteronomy 30: 1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,
2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.
4 If any of thine be driven out unto the out most parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

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Here is the promise of the circumcision made without hands which Paul speaks of in Colossians 2.

Colossians 2: 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

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What was the circumcision that was to be done by God, and not by man, to accomplish according to Deuteronomy 30? To make them love God with all their heart and all their soul. And what did Jesus say about this?

Luke 10: 25 ¶And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

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In other words, keeping the commandments given by the great I AM on Sinai, removes the curse of disobedience. You know, what was against us. Why? Because the circumcision made without hands causes us to to obey and live. Why? Because we are now loving God with all our heart and all of our soul, and our neighbors as ourselves.

Jesus lived a life of strict obedience to the law of God. He never sinned in any way, shape or form. And what did Paul say? That we are complete in Him. Meaning we can live as He did. In complete obedience to God's law. Furthermore Paul tells us in Galatians 5 that the fruit of the Spirit in our lives breaks no law. That includes the 10 commandments. And if we are breaking no laws on what day will we be worshiping? The seventh day Sabbath. We will be obeying just like Jesus obeyed, and for the same reason. Because we love God and do whatever He tells us to do, just like Jesus for Jesus relationship with His Father was a love relationship. He obeyed His Father in all things because He loved Him and wanted to represent Him in such a way that we could see who the Father really is.

This can never be called legalism as it is not based in law, but rather in a love relationship with God.

I am not resisting it. I just rest as much as I can on the seventh day, and am not feeling threatened by condemnation for when or how I don't manage it right.

Why not be willing to try making the seventh day the day of rest for you, as it said in the commandment, with possibly learning to do so better? How is it better to not even try? This is not about doing things perfectly.

FredVB said:

Why not be willing to try making the seventh day the day of rest for you, as it said in the commandment, with possibly learning to do so better? How is it better to not even try? This is not about doing things perfectly.

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BobRyan said:

good point.

Would people vote for Sunday as the Lord's day knowing that they have no text saying "week day 1 is the Lord's day"??

I think some would say "yes... absolutely"

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I would add something here - read D.L. Moody's online sermon on the "TEN Commandments" and pay special attention to what he said about "the Sabbath"

Dwight L. Moody on the Ten Commandments

Just scan down to the Sabbath commandment (4th commandment)

Or go here and you can jump right to that section

D.L. Moody - Weighed and Wanting

D.L. Moody - Weighed and Wanting: Chapter 6 - Fourth Commandment

FredVB said:

Why not be willing to try making the seventh day the day of rest for you, as it said in the commandment, with possibly learning to do so better? How is it better to not even try? This is not about doing things perfectly.

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I think this is generally the correct approach, because our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ rested in the tomb on Saturday, and God also rested on the seventh day of creation, and since we are made in the image of God and called to be more Godlike in how we act and behave, this seems the correct course of action. However, attending additional worship services on Saturdays, and also Fridays, and in Holy Week, Maundy Thursday, Good Friday, Holy Saturday and Easter Sunday, is desirable, to the extent such services are available.

John Wesley felt that Christians should at a minimum go to a short church service on Wednesday and Friday (and also fast on Wednesday and Friday as this is the ancient Christian tradition, still followed by the Eastern Orthodox and the Oriental Orthodox) in addition to receiving Communion every Sunday. Unfortunately to this day the United Methodist Church has not put his views into effect. But I think they are desirable.

FredVB said:

I am not resisting it. I just rest as much as I can on the seventh day, and am not feeling threatened by condemnation for when or how I don't manage it right.

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I think the SDA idea that not making Saturday your primary day of worship endangers your salvation is completely erroneous.

FredVB said:

Why not be willing to try making the seventh day the day of rest for you, as it said in the commandment, with possibly learning to do so better? How is it better to not even try? This is not about doing things perfectly.

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(1) The external form of the law (seventh day) has been nailed to Christ's cross (Colossians 2). (2) The two principles of that same law, worship and rest, continue on, as with all of the Old Testament's laws. (3) My church meets on Sunday to celebrate and worship God because of Jesus' resurrection on Sunday. (4) Therefore, I choose to rest from my daily work and to worship on Sunday.

Bible Highlighter said:

The Lord's Day is Sunday:

Revelation 1:10 mentions the “Lord's day.”

“I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, ...” (Revelation 1:10).​

Some believe this day to be Sunday, and others believe this day to be Saturday (i.e. the Saturday Sabbath, or the seventh day [last day] of the week). Let's examine Scripture to find out what the Lord's day is.

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Mary, Peter, and others witness the empty tomb:

“The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.” (John 20:1).

6 “Then cometh Simon Peter... and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.” (John 20:6-7).

“...yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.”
(John 20:9).

10 “Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping:” (John 20:10-11).

“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener,...” (John 20:15).

16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.​

Here we see on “the first day” of the week (Sunday) that Jesus was already risen, and He shows Himself to Mary and tells her, “I ascend (rise) unto my Father.” Mary later tells the disciples that she has seen “the Lord.”

This is the Lord's day in that He had ascended or risen to the Father.

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On the Road to Emmaus:

Jesus (with his identity hidden) talked with two men on the road to Emmaus about His death and resurrection:

The two men said:

“Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.” (Luke 24:22-23).​

Jesus said unto them:

“O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?” (Luke 24:25-26).​

Later, after Jesus revealed his full identity to them (in who He was) at dinner and departed:

The two men said:

32 “And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.” (Luke 24:32-35).​

The Lord is risen indeed!
Jesus ascended or had risen to His Father!
This was on the first day the disciples discovered the empty tomb!
This is the Lord's day. The culmination or climactic high point of God's story in the salvation of mankind. He is risen! The Lord is risen! The Lord is risen indeed! The first day of the week! The Lord's day! Sunday!

For Christians would be known for gathering on Sunday or the first day of the week (Which is based on Scripture).

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Let me make it simple for EVERYONE.
The soul and the physical body were not created the same day.
The soul was created first on saturday and the body was created later on friday.
Genesis 1 is about the spiritual creation and Genesis chapter two is about the body.
Jesus Christ died on friday(the day that the body was made) and Adam also died on friday(the day he was created)
SUNDAY is the day of the sun
Sun represent the image/light of God
Jesus Christ is the light of this world
Matthew 17:2 says "And he(Jesus Christ) was transfigured before them:and his face did shine as the Sun
May God Bless You

Bible Highlighter said:

Man was created on the sixth day and God rested from His work on the seventh day. So God was not creating still on the seventh day. But if you believe believers are to now worship on Sunday and not Saturday, then we are in agreement. But to say that God created man other than on day 6 would be a serious error. The Bible does not teach that. Just read Genesis again.

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Indeed. That said I like the beautiful poetic expression @Marumorose offers concerning Sunday and transfiguration.

Bruce Leiter said:

(1) The external form of the law (seventh day) has been nailed to Christ's cross (Colossians 2). (2) The two principles of that same law, worship and rest, continue on, as with all of the Old Testament's laws. (3) My church meets on Sunday to celebrate and worship God because of Jesus' resurrection on Sunday. (4) Therefore, I choose to rest from my daily work and to worship on Sunday.

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That is an understanding from interpretation, from passages where what is shown nailed to the cross is judgment for repentant believers' sins, all of them. The things which are sins are not then not sins. Consequence in judgment was born so those in Christ do not bear those themselves. It should have believers turn from any things shown to be sin in the Bible, and any failings. There is not actual passages showing me to not rest for Sabbath, which is to be remembered, so there is no reason to stop from that. Really nothing shows it should be Sunday instead.

Bible Highlighter said:

What do you do with Colossians 2:16 and Romans 4:5?
Why didn’t the apostles bring up the Sabbath at the Jerusalem council? (See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, Acts of the Apostles 15:24).

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There is nothing in the entire bible that shows God's Sabbath day of the 4th commandment was changed, deleted or fulfilled. The 4th commandment is part of a Covenant of Ten, not nine, not eight. It's our moral obligation to God to obey His commandments including the one commandment that God told us to "remember". In the entire bible God deemed only one day as the holy day of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13. Jesus told us to not worship in vain by obeying traditions (which is Sunday worship) over commandments which includes the 4th commandment. Jesus said breaking the least of the commandments and teaching others you will be least in Gods kingdom Matthew 5:19. The Sabbath day continues as the day of worship on the New Earth Isaiah 66:23 as promised by our Savior Exodus 31:16. There is no scripture in the entire bible that says the first day is the holy day of the Lord thy God. But God says that about the seventh day which is a commandment and not an ordinance which Col 2:14 is referring to (God's commandment has never been referred to an an ordinance). God wants us to worship Him in Truth and Spirit. There are over 170 scriptures regarding the importance of God's Sabbath day. There are eight references to the first day, none that are a commandment of God, none that says it's a new holy day, none that says it's a day of worship. How more people don't see this really surprises me, but scriptures do tell us there is only a remnant (small part of the original) who still keep the commandments of God Revelations 12:17, Revelations 14:12. Today we have the choice to worship God in Truth and Spirit and obey God's laws over traditions, but just like the days of Noah, so will be the Second Coming of our Savior and few listened than too. God Sabbath is meant to be a blessing and a delight and many are missing out. Isaiah 58:13-14 God bless