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What day do you believe is the “Lord's Day” in Revelation 1:10?


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The 10 Commands was given to all man, not just Israel. The 10 Commandments never went away, that's why there is clear scripture throughout both the old and new testaments.

Mathew 5:19 Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these. least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of.

To answer your questions, to keep the Sabbath all labor should cease on Sabbath per the 4th Commandment. You can't "allow" a spouse to do anything (or shouldn't anyway) hopefully you married someone of equal faith so both husband and wife can obey Gods law. Yes, its a sin to buy and sell on the Sabbath as it again breaks the 4th Commandment.
 
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I just wish you would look more closely at what the bible says and who it is saying it to!

Once again teh Sabbath was given to Israel.

Fine - lets take a very close look at the details --

Jer 31:
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

I think the point you are making is that we should look very closely at just who New Covenant is made with - right?

Paul says that the LAW we are talking about includes the one where "Honor your father and mother" is the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2.

So at least the Bible is consistent in both cases tell us WHO the Bible is speaking to.

I am glad these Christian sources all affirm all Ten of the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
 
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Are you following all 600+ commands of the Law?
Here's' what the scripture says:

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Pretty Straight Forward.

I agree with it as written.
Do you?

If you do, please tell us which you are doing in your life?
Breaking the least of the 600+ commands (Jots & Tittles) of the Law, or practicing, upholding and teaching them?

Nearly 1/2 of the Law of Moses consists in Temple practices/rituals/Levitical duties. The Law of Moses does not consist in reading a book. It consists in strict OBSERVANCE.

Here' your conundrum:
There is no way to observe the Law of Moses and hasn't been since AD 70.


And yet the Apostles teach plainly that the Mosaic observance of the Jewish Saturday Sabbath was no longer required of people (Col 2:15-17; Acts 15:5-11, 24-29).

The Saturday Sabbath is not erased, but Colossians 2:15-17 explicitly says it was no longer binding once Christ came (as is also true of animal sacrifice, and physical circumcision) :

15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[e]
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.


So already in the New Testament era you see the apostles teaching men to shift away from mandatory observances of the Mosaic ceremonial practices (Gal 5:1-6; Acts 15:5-11, 24-29).

If the Apostles of Jesus Christ teach that I am not to let anyone judge me with regard to a Sabbath day, that it was but a mere shadow, and the REAL Sabbath "is found in Christ", I'm inclined to accept their testimony and act appropriately.
 
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Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;
This is reference to the 10 Commandments God Law written in stone. Not some of the ceremonial practices.

Regarding Colossians 2:15-17
Paul declares that believers should not be judged “with regard” to a feast, or new moon, or Sabbath. The phrase “with regard” translates the Greek en merei, dative of the noun meros. The noun means “a part, a piece, a portion,” as opposed to a whole; one element out of many, one aspect out of a whole. Space does not permit a full word study, but suffice it to say that in more than 150 occurrences in the New Testament and the Greek translation of the Old Testament this is the overwhelming use.3 When the singular meros is followed by genitive substantive(s), as in Colossians 2:16, the substantive(s) designate the whole, out of which meros constitutes just one part.

Paul’s words therefore should be translated: “Let no one judge you in food or drink, or in a part of a feast, or new moon, or Sabbaths. These are a shadow of the things that were to come.” Paul is interested, not in the feasts themselves, but only in one part of the festal calendar. What we need to determine is what this part is.

Most translations interpret the phrase sõma tou Christou, “body of Christ,” of Colossians 2:17 figuratively.4 However, a literal rendering fits better.

Throughout the epistle Paul places a strong emphasis on the physical body of Jesus. In Colossians 1:22 he describes how Christ reconciled us “in his body of flesh by his death.” In Colossians 2:9 the fullness of deity dwells in Christ “bodily,” and in verse 12 Paul explains how through baptism we participate in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. In light of such texts it is contextually accurate to translate the “body of Christ” in verse 17 as a reference to the literal, physical body of Jesus. The sacrifices offered in the Temple were shadows of the sacrifice of Christ, and so the phrase “body of Christ” fits perfectly with our suggestion.

Old Testament Parallels
Scholars agree that in mentioning feast, new moon, and Sabbaths Paul alludes to any or all of eight Old Testament passages: Numbers 28:1–29:40; 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicals 2:4; 8:12, 13; 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33; Ezekiel 45:17; and Hosea 2:11. Even a casual reading shows that the emphasis is not the feasts themselves, but the sacrifices associated with the feasts.

“. . . and whenever burnt offerings were offered to the Lord on Sabbaths, new moons and feast days, according to the number required of them, regularly before the Lord” (1 Chron. 23:31).

“Behold, I am about to build a house . . . for the burning of incense of sweet spices before him, and for the regular arrangement of the showbread, and for burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths and the new moons and the appointed feasts of the Lord our God” (2 Chron. 2:4).

“Then Solomon offered up burnt offerings to the Lord . . . according to the commandment of Moses for the Sabbaths, the new moons, and the three annual feasts—the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Weeks, and the Feast of Booths” (2 Chron. 8:12, 13).

“The contribution of the king from his own possessions was for the burnt offerings: the burnt offerings of morning and evening, and the burnt offerings for the Sabbaths, the new moons, and the appointed feasts, as it is written in the Law of the Lord” (2 Chron. 31:3).

“We also take on ourselves the obligation to give yearly a third part of a shekel for the service of the house of our God: for the showbread, the regular grain offering, the regular burnt offering, the Sabbaths, the new moons, the appointed feasts, the holy things, and the sin offerings to make atonement for Israel, and for all the work of the house of our God” (Neh. 10:32, 33).

“It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the new moons, and the Sabbaths, all the appointed feasts of the house of Israel” (Eze. 45:17).

In Hosea 2:11 sacrifices and offerings are not mentioned directly, but are implied in the context (Hosea 2:11, 13; 3:4). All of the above texts derive from Numbers 28:1–29:40, which contains a list of the different meat, grain, and drink offerings to be offered through the festal calendar of Israel.

Here is a question to ponder. If all the Old Testament passages that parallel the calendric triplet “feast, new moon, Sabbaths” of Colossians 2:16 deal primarily with the sacrifices and burnt offerings offered therein rather than the feasts themselves, is it not only natural to conclude that Colossians 2:16 also deals with the same issues? Would it not be plausible to suggest that Paul is using the triplet as a catchphrase to direct attention to the relevant calendric Old Testament texts and their offertory lists? Indeed it is, but in case we still have questions, Paul provides further evidence.

4“Food or Drink”
Further confirmation for our suggestion comes from the phrase “food or drink,” which are also a “shadow” of the body of Christ. Some casually observe that this phrase refers to clean and unclean foods and conclude that Old Testament food prohibitions are no longer valid. More insightful commentators note that while the Old Testament did have several food prohibitions, it did not contain drink prohibitions, with the exception of the use of wine by officiating priests (Lev. 10:9). That is not to say that the Old Testament condones the use of alcoholic beverages. Quite the contrary, it warns strongly against its dangers. But the truth is there was no specific law forbidding it. “Food or drink” therefore cannot refer to Old Testament food prohibitions. What then is implied in this phrase?

The answer is simple. The Old Testament offertory system included food and drink offerings. These are mentioned in Nehemiah 10:33 and Ezekiel 45:17 and repeatedly in Numbers 28:1–29:40, three of the most important calendric texts quoted above, which, according to most scholars, stand behind Colossians 2:16. Furthermore, in Hebrews 9:10 food and drink appear again as part of the Old Testament sacrificial system.

Summarizing this section, Paul’s reference to “food or drink” does not fit Old Testament food prohibitions; but it fits perfectly our suggestion that Paul refers to Israel’s offertory and sacrificial system.

5Hebrews 10:1-10
The last piece of evidence is Hebrews 10:1-10. This passage bears a very close thematic and linguistic parallel to Colossians 2:16, 17. It (a) mentions the physical “body of Jesus Christ” (Heb. 10:10); (b) makes reference to the festal calendar of Israel (verses 1, 3) and the law in which the calendar was described (verses 1, 8); (c) contains (with Heb. 8:5) the only other typological use in the New Testament of the word “shadow” (Heb. 10:1); and (d) contains the exact same expression as in Colossians 2:16, “shadow of . . . things that were to come” (Heb. 10:1). And just as in Colossians 2:16, where only part (en merei) of the festal calendar is in view, likewise in Hebrews 10:1 only aspects of the law of Moses (“the law has” as opposed to “the law is”) are a shadow. Given such impressive parallels, Hebrews 10:1-10 is an invaluable benchmark against which to test any interpretation of Colossians 2:16, 17. So what does Hebrews 10:1-10 present?

Hebrews 10:1-10 is a prolonged contrast between the sacrificial system of the Old Testament and the physical body of Christ. The writer asserts two things: (a) the sacrifices were a “shadow” of the sacrifice of Jesus; (b) the sacrifice of Jesus abolishes the Old Testament sacrificial system (verse 9). It therefore tallies completely with our view that Colossians 2:16, 17 refers to offerings and sacrifices, not the festal calendar as such.

Suggested Reconstruction

So what was the issue the Colossians were facing and Paul was trying to address? We know that Colossae had a strong Jewish presence. Jewish communities often attracted Gentiles, who either became full proselytes or became attached to the synagogue as God-fearers without fully converting.

Jews and Gentile sympathizers would often travel to Jerusalem for the major feasts of the Jewish calendar (Acts 2:7-11) and offer the designated sin, peace, and food offerings. The merchants who congregated in the precincts of the Temple, twice expelled by Jesus, were there for the specific purpose of selling sacrificial commodities. In addition to sacrifices Jews had to pay annually a half shekel for the Temple and its sacrifices (Neh. 10:32, 33; Matt. 17:24-27).

As Jews and Gentile sympathizers converted to Christianity they could no longer support in good conscience the Temple sacrificial offerings. As such they would come under pressure: “Why do you no longer support the Temple and its sacrifices?” Paul therefore admonishes Christians that they should not allow themselves to come under such pressure. Jesus, the true sacrifice, had done away with the need for the Temple ceremonial system. While worship in the Temple continued (Acts 3:1; 5:20; 21:26), participation in the offertory system was now redundant.

Bottom Line
Colossians 2:16, 17 neither abolishes nor establishes either the Sabbath or any other feast. It simply does not address their continuity or discontinuity. The five pieces of evidence outlined above demonstrate persuasively that the only thing the text establishes is that we no longer need to offer sacrifices, because our precious Savior Jesus Christ offered His body on the cross for us. That is good news indeed.
Taken from Does Colossians 2:16, 17 Abolish the Sabbath?
 
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Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;
This is reference to the 10 Commandments God Law written in stone. Not some of the ceremonial practices.

That's one opinion.

I believe scripture testifies otherwise.
Christ demands that every minute detail of the Law of Moses down to the very least of its 600+ commands be kept. He says: "therefore whosoever shall break one of these LEAST commandments and shall teach others to do so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven." The passage calls for the keeping of the Law even BEYOND what the Pharisees produced in their practice and observance (Matt 5:20).

Read Leviticus and demonstrate how you (OR ANYONE TODAY) even observe HALF of what is commanded for Law followers.

Prove you sojourned to Jerusalem to to appear before the Lord as the Law commands YOU DO EVERY YEAR on Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles:
(Ex. 23:14-17; 34:18-23)

Links to your Plane tickets and Hotel Receipts for the past 3 years will suffice,
Unless of course you give yourself special dispensation to NOT follow THAT part of the Law?

Hebrews 7:11-19 makes clear that the Mosaic constitution instituted by Moses and transacted through the Levitical priesthood was not the way to perfection. As such, it was made obsolete by the Christic constitution instituted by The Christ and transacted via the Melchizedekian priesthood. It will NEVER AGAIN return.

And again, we are certain that no one keeps the Law of Moses because of how many of Moses' precepts depended on Temple sacrifices and the mediation of the Levitical priesthood of Aaron, which went fully extinct at AD 70.

God's law exists today, but it does so within the New Covenant constitution of the Christ and not of Moses. As the apostles decreed at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts chapter 15:
"He made no distinction between us [Hebrews] and them [Gentiles], cleansing their hearts by faith. Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?" [i.e., the yoke listed in verse 15:5: "the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, 'It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.'"]

For sure, it is NOT necessary to circumcise the flesh and to direct people to observe the Law Covenant of Moses, for the Council of Jerusalem decreed such in the first century.

Time to Get with the program.

Perhaps you will do a bible study on the book of Galatians, which lays out that the law has reached its fulfillment in Christ Jesus. This is why the Old Covenant system of animal sacrifices, Levitical priesthood, circumcision, etc disappeared back in the first century. Paul specifically cites that all those things had at one time been introduced by God to prefigure the coming of Christ (Gal 3:23-29/Col 2:16-20). Now that the Christ has come, those things fall away like scaffolding, and what remains is Christ Himself and His New Coveanant Law.

I strongly encourage you to read the book of Galatians three straight times in a row.
There are some basic, fundamental, concepts that many are not understanding that can't be remedied without you fully grasping Paul's argument in Galatians.

Keep the Saturday Sabbath...As Paul testifies you are free to do...there is nothing wrong with doing so.
The Saturday Sabbath is not erased, but Colossians 2:15-17 explicitly says it was a shadow and is no longer binding once Christ came.
 
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You quote a verse and then let it go right over your head!

The Mosaic or old covenant was not made with mankind but with the Nation of Israel.

YOu also forget this:
  1. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  2. 2 Corinthians 3:8
    How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  3. 2 Corinthians 3:9
    For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
Teh commandments written in stone do not minister life, but death!

YOu also forget this as well:

Galatians 3:23-25
King James Version

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

You also forget this:

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

and also this:

Romans 4:15
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.


All Scriptures are equally inspired, but not all SCriptures are equally applicable! Why do you wish to keep alive the very part of the Old Covenant and bind it upon man when Gods Word (which Trumps all those organizations listed) calls it something that ministers death?
 
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I just wish you would look more closely at what the bible says and who it is saying it to!

Once again the Sabbath was given to Israel.

Fine - lets take a very close look at the details --

Jer 31:
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

I think the point you are making is that we should look very closely at just who New Covenant is made with - right?

Paul says that the LAW we are talking about includes the one where "Honor your father and mother" is the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2.

So at least the Bible is consistent in both cases tell us WHO the Bible is speaking to.

I am glad these Christian groups/scholars all affirm all Ten of the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

You quote a verse and then let it go right over your head!

The Mosaic or old covenant was not made with mankind

God says in Rom 3:19-20 that what was called sin -- is sin for "all mankind" every mouth close all the world accountable to God.

Rom 3
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

It includes the LAW where "Honor your father and mother" is the first commandment in that unit of LAW - "with a promise" Eph 6:1-2

How could we not "notice"?

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I am glad these Christian groups/scholars all affirm all Ten of the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

and apparently they also know that the Lord's Day as originally given in the Bible is not week-day-1.

=============now back to my original point

lets take a very close look at the details -- who is the NEW Covenant promised to?

Jer 31:
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
 
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So that was a direct quote of Matt 5..

That's one opinion.
I believe scripture testifies otherwise.
whahuh??

Matt 5... from "the TEN"

21 “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.
 
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Rom 3: 19 is about the Jews! If you read the passage you now have re quoted to me three or four times literally instead of allegorically you would clearly see that the Old Covenant was made with the house of Israel! NO with the house of the gentiles!

See Romans 2 shows the guilt of the gentile apart from the law, and Romans 3 shows the guilt of the Jews with the law. The issue is n't the law- but the fact all the world is guilty before God!

Just remember as Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said that sin gets its strength to operate from the law and that the law written in stones brings death not life!

2 Corinthians 3:7
2 Corinthians 3:7

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious,

2 Corinthians 3:8-9
King James Version

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

YOu can follow the law- I will follow Jesus and the Spirit and live!
 
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Rom 3: 19 is about the Jews!

Rom 3: 9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;

Rom 3
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

There is no text in all of scripture where "all the world" means "just Jews".

Rom 3:23
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

There is no text in all of scripture where "only Jews have sinned"
there is no text in all of scripture where only Jews need the Gospel

Rom 3: 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

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lets take a very close look at the details --

Jer 31:
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

With whom is the New Covenant made?
 
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Just remember as Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said that sin gets its strength to operate from the law

Because "All have sinned" Rom 3:23
and so ALL are enslaved to sin apart from the Gospel Rom 6:1-5
And so ALL need the Gospel Rom 3:19-20

Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Rom 3: 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
 
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Well, I believe the commandments that are least are not referring to the Old Law, but they are referring to the new commands that Jesus just gave at the sermon on the Mount. I believe one example of a “least command” by our Lord would be Matthew 5:11-12. It is a command to rejoice when men shall revile us believers, and they persecute us, and shall say all manner of evil against us falsely, for the Lord's sake.

Now, murder, adultery, unforgiveness, idolatry, etc. would not be a “least command.” They are major sins that can lead to spiritual death and or hellfire. Matthew 5:28-30 talks about how looking upon a woman in lust can cause one's body to be cast into hellfire. Matthew 6:15 says if we do not forgive, we will not be forgiven. But if we do not obey the command in Matthew 5:11-12 and we tell others that such a command is optional, we will be called the least in the kingdom of Heaven.

Christ came not to destroy all forms of Law in general, but He came to fulfill them with the sacrifice of Himself, and with His giving us of His New Covenant laws or commands. The mercy that Christ supplies to us with Him being our Heavenly high priest and the New Testament commands He has given us are far superior than anything in the Old Covenant (or Old Testament). Jesus fulfilled the old way, and offered a new and better way.
 
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Take from https://www.whitehorsemedia.com/ten-reasons-why-the-sabbath-is-not-jewish

Ten Reasons Why the Sabbath is Not Jewish
Sabbath Zone


1) Adam and Eve were not Jewish. “God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it” (Genesis 2:3) before sin entered. “Sanctified” means “to be set apart for holy use.” The only ones in the Garden of Eden for whom the Sabbath was “set apart” were Adam and Eve, who weren’t Jewish.

2) “The Sabbath was made for man.” Mark 2:27. Jesus said this. It was “made” in the Garden of Eden before it was “written” down on Mount Sinai. The Sabbath was “made” for “man,” not just Jews.

3) The other nine commandments are not “just for Jews.” God wrote “Ten Commandments” on stone, not just nine (See Deut. 4:12, 13; Ex. 20). Does “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” and “Do not bear false witness” apply only to Jews?

4) “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.” Exodus 20:10. God calls the Sabbath, “my holy day.” Isaiah 58:13. The Bible never calls it “the Sabbath of the Jews.” It isn’t their Sabbath, but God’s.

5) The Sabbath commandment is for the “stranger” too. The fourth commandment itself says the “stranger” is to rest on the Sabbath. Exodus 20:10. “Strangers” are non-Jews, or Gentiles. Thus the Sabbath applies to them too. Read also Isaiah 56:6.

6) Isaiah said Gentiles should keep the Sabbath. “Also the sons of the stranger … every one that keeps the Sabbath … for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people .” Isaiah 56:6, 7. Thus the Sabbath is for Gentiles and “all people,” not just for Jews.

7) “All” mankind will keep the Sabbath in the New Earth. In “the new earth … from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says the Lord.” Isaiah 66:22, 23. Here God says that “all flesh” we will be keeping the Sabbath in “the new earth.” If this is the case – and it is – shouldn’t we start now?

8) Gentiles kept the Sabbath in the Book of Acts. “The Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath … Paul and Barnabas … persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.”‘ Acts 13:42, 43. Here saved-by-grace Gentiles kept the Sabbath (see also verse 44).

9) “The law” [of Ten Commandments] is for “all the world,” not just for Jews. Paul wrote these words. Read Romans 2:17-23; 3:19, 23.

10) Luke was a Gentile who kept the Sabbath. Luke was the only Gentile who wrote any New Testament books (he wrote The Gospel According to St. Luke and The Acts of the Apostles). Luke traveled with Paul and wrote, “On the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side.” Acts 16:13. It was the seventh-day Sabbath, the memorial of the creation (see Ex. 20:11). Both Luke and Paul knew it.
 
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1. No where does it showed Adam and Eve kept Sabbath, that is a supposition w/o evidence.

2. Man- does not always mean everyone. context context context. Jesus is showing that Jews wefre made for the Sabbath (as the Pharisees taught), but that teh Sabbatrh was for a day of rest!

3. No where in Exodus or Leviticus or Deuteronomy or anywhere will you find that teh tables of Stone (which are a ministry unto death) we given for all mankind!

4. Yes it is Gods Sabbath- and until He gave it to Israel, there was no requirement for anyone to keep it or be in sin!

5&6 Gentiles and strangers if they were proselytes in teh land had to keep Sabbath or settled in the land in peace. Samarians or Akkadians or Philistines were under no such rule.

7. Yes and when we get to teh new earth believers will start!

8. No gentiles did not keep the Sabbath. Paul and Barnabbas always went to synagogues first in gentile lands and taught the gospel on Sabbath (when Jews met) YOu will not find i nhistory any culture outside of Israel keeping Sabbarth.

9. Too bad you did not look a few verses earlier:

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Gentiles never had the ten commandments! Paul made that abundantly clear in Galatians.

10. Luke was Jewish! But even if he was gentile he would have kept Sabbath as he was a companion of Paul and went where Paul went. So he would have gone to synagogue on Sabbath as Paul was accustomed. NOt because He felt compelled by the law!
 
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Out of curiosity do you think the 10 Commandments is for Jewish people only? Wouldn't that be sad for everyone? The Bible clearly states in both New and Old Testaments to keep Gods law. Gods law was written in stone to be everlasting for EVERYONE. Gods grace is for EVERYONE. Gods Sabbath is for EVERYONE. He gives us free will to believe, worship and DO! Gods law is important to Him that's why it was written on Stone and that's why there are so many scriptures dedicated to it in both New and Old Testaments. Does God want you to murder, lie, cheat, steal, worship idols? Was this for Jews only? No. Is heaven for Jews only? No.

If you believe the following verses were only meant for Jewish people, than according to that belief they are the only ones who could go to Heaven and everyone else should stop reading the Bible or believing. Why would God change HIS perfect law? He didn't.

If Gods law was so unimportant there is sure A LOT of scripture dedicated to it. This is only a small part of scripture.

I just don't understand how anyone can say not to keep Gods law, or that it was for Jews only, or it no longer applies. I feel its written pretty crystal clear from the scriptures. Again, this is just a few scriptures.

Revelations 22:14 (for Jews only?)
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

1 John 2:4
He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Mathew 19:17
So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Revelations 12:17
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Mathew 5:19
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

1 Chronicles 28:7
Moreover I will establish his kingdom forever, if he is steadfast to observe My commandments and My judgments, as it is this day.'

Joshua 22:5
5 But take careful heed to do the commandment and the law which Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you, to love the Lord your God, to walk in all His ways, to keep His commandments, to hold fast to Him, and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul."

1 Kings 2:3
And keep the charge of the Lord your God: to walk in His ways, to keep His statutes, His commandments, His judgments, and His testimonies, as it is written in the Law of Moses, that you may prosper in all that you do and wherever you turn;

1 Kings 8:61
Let your heart therefore be loyal to the Lord our God, to walk in His statutes and keep His commandments, as at this day."

2 Chronicles 24:20
Then the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, who stood above the people, and said to them, "Thus says God: 'Why do you transgress the commandments of the Lord, so that you cannot prosper? Because you have forsaken the Lord, He also has forsaken you.' "

Nehemiah 1:5
And I said: "I pray, Lord God of heaven, O great and awesome God, You who keep Your covenant and mercy with those who love You and observe Your commandments,

Psalms 78:7
That they may set their hope in God, And not forget the works of God, But keep His commandments;

Psalms 111:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments. His praise endures forever.

Psalms 119:10
With my whole heart I have sought You; Oh, let me not wander from Your commandments!

Ecclesiastes 48:18
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man's all.

Daniel 9:4
And I prayed to the Lord my God, and made confession, and said, "O Lord, great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant and mercy with those who love Him, and with those who keep His commandments,

Amos 2:4
Thus says the Lord: "For three transgressions of Judah, and for four, I will not turn away its punishment, Because they have despised the law of the Lord, And have not kept His commandments. Their lies lead them astray, Lies which their fathers followed.

John 14:15
If you love Me, keep My commandments.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

1 John 2:3
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
 
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I obey the commands given to teh church and not to the nation of Israel. Of the ten commandments written in stone which minister death, 9 have been carried over ini the New Covenant from teh Old Covenant (which has waxed old and has passed away.

All the other 9 are shalt nots in the New Testament, but teh Sabbath has no command to obey in teh New Covenant!

And God gave Moses 613 commandments. Why do you reject keeping the other 603??? Show me in the bible that God says keep teh ten in stone which minister death and not life and reject the other 603 commands of the old Covenant.
 
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Show me in the Bible where is says keep my 9 commandments? You're telling me God went away with the ONLY Commandment in the Bible that starts with the word "Remember". I don't think so.
 
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Show me in the Bible where is says keep my 9 commandments? You're telling me God went away with the ONLY Commandment in the Bible that starts with the word "Remember". I don't think so.

Show me anywhere in Gods Word where He ordered the Gentile NATIONS as gentiles to obey the tencommandments written in stone which minister death not life!

YO do realize that is what teh ten commandments do don't you????

Show me in any epistle where the Ten Commandments are ordered to be kept by trhe gentiles!

I can show you 1,008 commands in teh NT for the church and only 9 of the olsd covenant commands are carried over!

Remember this passage:
Hebrews 8:13
King James Version

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 9:15-18
King James Version

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

2 Corinthians 3:7-10
King James Version

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

The ten commandments are a ministry of condemnation!!!!!

I do not commit murder because the 10 commandments say thoushalt not murdewr, but I do not because it is forbidden in the new covenant, not the old which has passed away!
 
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I wish to issue an apology to all on this thread. I wrote an answer that in hindsight and pondering what a mod told me, should not have been written.

I use sarcasm as humor. Have for all my adult life. Even in the bible classes I can get very sarcastic , which evokes lots of laughter!

Here I have been called to task for it more than once and I did not understand. I thought people were just very thin skinned.

Then in my PM I realized that I am just simply writing here and no one can see my expression or body language or hear my tone and realize it is just a humorous way of getting a point across and no harm was ever intended. This is my bad and I accept the responsibility for it and whoever made the complaint, I hop eyou will accept this apology.

I am going to have to educate my rather thick skull ( I am am equal opportunity sarcastic one- even to me LOL) that people here cannot see and hear that no harm is intended. If I do slip upo, I only request you PM or openly tell me , I would rather apologize for unintentionally crossing a line than for one to thinkI am insulting or trying to attack.

Once again I do apologize to all and especially to the one who took the most offense by me.

nolidad aka RON
 
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Show me in the Bible where is says keep my 9 commandments? You're telling me God went away with the ONLY Commandment in the Bible that starts with the word "Remember". I don't think so.

Remember imge:

All Scriptures are equally inspired, but not all Scripture are equally applicable.

Remember this:

Exodus 20
King James Version

20 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.


did your ancestors live in bondage in Egypt or was it the Jews? This ALL is the first of the ten.

Exodus 31:13-17
King James Version

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.



Here was the chance God had to say --Speak unto the Jews and all teh gentile nations-----

The Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel as said here specifically and explicitly! Not to the gentile nations!

also remember this:

2 Corinthians 3:6-9
King James Version

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
 
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