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Certainly it is an old tradition - and yet nothing in the NT supports it - nor does the Didache
"The Didache (/ˈdɪdəkiː/; Greek: Διδαχή, translit. Didakhé, lit. "Teaching"),[1] also known as The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, is a brief anonymous early Christian treatise, dated by most modern scholars to the first century.[2] The first line of this treatise is "The teaching of the Lord to the Gentiles (or Nations) by the twelve apostles".[a] The text, parts of which constitute the oldest extant written catechism, has three main sections dealing with Christian ethics, rituals such as baptism and Eucharist, and Church organization"
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The Didache is mentioned by Eusebius (c. 324) as the Teachings of the Apostles following the books recognized as canonical:[21]
"Let there be placed among the spurious works the Acts of Paul, the so-called Shepherd and the Apocalypse of Peter, and besides these the Epistle of Barnabas, and what are called the Teachings of the Apostles, (Didache) and also the Apocalypse of John, if this be thought proper; for as I wrote before, some reject it, and others place it in the canon."
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"Many scholars have dated the text to the late 2nd century CE, a view still held today, other scholars have the Didache might go back to the first century. The document is a composite work, and the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls with its Manual of Discipline provided evidence of development over a considerable period of time, beginning as a Jewish catechetical work which was then developed into a church manual. Additionally, apart from two minuscule fragments, the Greek text of the Didache has only survived in a single manuscript, the Codex Hierosolymitanus. Dating the document is thus made difficult both by the lack of hard evidence and its composite character. The Didache may have been compiled in its present form as late as 150,"
Some feel more comfortable with “The Didache a Christian manual compiled before 300AD.”
Some have imagined that the Didache says that the Lord’s Day is Sunday, or week-day-1… – but in fact – it does not.
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The Greek expression in verse 14.1 in the Didache, is:
Κατὰ κυριακὴν δε κυριου [5].
The Greek term κυριακὴν is often transliterated as kuriaki/kyriake.
the meaning of κυριακὴν:
... the Greek kyriake, meaning “belonging to the Lord (kyrios),” from which the English word “church” is derived. [6]
Basically kuriaki means the Lord's way.
So then we have the translated verse 14.1 in the Didache, properly below (with two options):
According to the Lord's way, even the Lord's.
or
According to the Lordly {way}, even the Lord's.
I don't appreciate this game-playing.on this thread or another one??
Will search back through all the posts to see if you hint at it.
Certainly it is an old tradition - and yet nothing in the NT supports it - nor does the Didache
"The Didache (/ˈdɪdəkiː/; Greek: Διδαχή, translit. Didakhé, lit. "Teaching"),[1] also known as The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, is a brief anonymous early Christian treatise, dated by most modern scholars to the first century.[2] The first line of this treatise is "The teaching of the Lord to the Gentiles (or Nations) by the twelve apostles".[a] The text, parts of which constitute the oldest extant written catechism, has three main sections dealing with Christian ethics, rituals such as baptism and Eucharist, and Church organization"
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The Didache is mentioned by Eusebius (c. 324) as the Teachings of the Apostles following the books recognized as canonical:[21]
"Let there be placed among the spurious works the Acts of Paul, the so-called Shepherd and the Apocalypse of Peter, and besides these the Epistle of Barnabas, and what are called the Teachings of the Apostles, (Didache) and also the Apocalypse of John, if this be thought proper; for as I wrote before, some reject it, and others place it in the canon."
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"Many scholars have dated the text to the late 2nd century CE, a view still held today, other scholars have the Didache might go back to the first century. The document is a composite work, and the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls with its Manual of Discipline provided evidence of development over a considerable period of time, beginning as a Jewish catechetical work which was then developed into a church manual. Additionally, apart from two minuscule fragments, the Greek text of the Didache has only survived in a single manuscript, the Codex Hierosolymitanus. Dating the document is thus made difficult both by the lack of hard evidence and its composite character. The Didache may have been compiled in its present form as late as 150,"
Some feel more comfortable with “The Didache a Christian manual compiled before 300AD.”
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Some have imagined that the Didache says that the Lord’s Day is Sunday, or week-day-1… – but in fact – it does not.
The Greek expression in verse 14.1 in the Didache, is:
Κατὰ κυριακὴν δε κυριου [5].
The Greek term κυριακὴν is often transliterated as kuriaki/kyriake.
the Greek term for "day" (ἡμέρᾳ) is missing in verse 14.1 [9] and is not required by the context so it cannot simply be "inserted"
... the Greek kyriake, meaning “belonging to the Lord (kyrios),” from which the English word “church” is derived. [6]
Basically kuriaki means the Lord's way.
verse 14.1 in the Didache, is translated properly below (with two options):
According to the Lord's way, even the Lord's.
or
According to the Lordly {way}, even the Lord's.
The Translation of the Phrase “the Lord’s Day” (reformed Baptist)
Revelation 1:10, however, reads τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ (tē kyriakē hēmera [“the Lord’s day”]). The word κυριακῇ (kyriakē), translated “Lord’s,” is a dative feminine singular adjective, agreeing in case and gender with the noun it modifies (i.e., ἡμέρᾳ [hēmera; “day”]). It comes from κυριακός (kyriakos), an adjective meaning “belonging to the Lord.”[1] “Lord’s” is an adjective attributing a quality to the noun it modifies (i.e., “day”). The Lord’s Day, therefore, is a day belonging to Jesus Christ as Lord. The word κυριακῇ (kyriakē [“Lord’s]) is used twice in the New Testament—here in Revelation 1:10 and in 1 Corinthians 11:20.
day g2250 ἡμέρᾳ ἡμέρα hēmera
Actually the Didache DOES support it as does the Greek.
So this would be the place to show it.
Currently we have this --
The Greek expression in verse 14.1 in the Didache, is:
Κατὰ κυριακὴν δε κυριου [5].
The Greek term κυριακὴν is often transliterated as kuriaki/kyriake.
the Greek term for "day" (ἡμέρᾳ) is missing in verse 14.1 [9] and is not required by the context.
... the Greek kyriake, meaning “belonging to the Lord (kyrios),” from which the English word “church” is derived. [6]
Basically kuriaki means the Lord's way.
verse 14.1 in the Didache, is translated properly below (with two options):
According to the Lord's way, even the Lord's.
or
According to the Lordly {way}, even the Lord's.
But we don't have the original autographs. So either God's Word was preserved for us to trust today or it wasn't preserved. I choose to believe it was preserved as Psalms 12:6-7 says in the KJV.
Unless you are for the Textus Receptus (TR), I believe you are looking in the wrong place.
There are two major lines of manuscripts in use today.
The KJV which comes from the TR, and the Modern Translations which primarily come from Westcott and Hort's corrupted Greek NT text.
I did not.you said you had provided a text -- but did not include it in your post.
I already gave you the verse.
But you want me to go looking for some entry on page 89 of a book I am expected to have (I guess is the idea).
For the last time, pose a question about Anglicanism if that is the intention and I will try to answer it.
Sounds like a confusion with Romans 6:1-11. Baptism is given for that purpose.
Besides real Christians worship God every day, but that does not negate the required obedience to God in His commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) and so to honour our Father in Heaven by keeping that which He commanded in Exodus 20:8-11; Hebrews 4:1-12.
No. The old covenant was such an agreement between God and all present at Mt. Sinai, most of whom were Israel (and there was also the mixed multitude who had joined themselves to the LORD). The Sabbath is part of God's spiritual Law, the Ten Commandments. There is nowhere in scripture which makes the Ten Commandments = the old covenant. See Exodus 19 to begin with, then see Romans 3:31; Jeremiah 31; Hebrews 8 & 10; Isaiah 56:1-8, John 10:16.
Well, I don't care for the way that section you quoted from is written. And I say that because it's not as clear as it could be IMHO and can lead the reader to come to the same mistaken conclusion you seem to have done.What's particularly distinctive about Anglicanism?
Anglicans, however, do agree that their beliefs and practices, their authority, derive from an integration of Scripture (the Holy Bible), Reason (the intellect and the experience of God) and Tradition (the practices and beliefs of the historical church). This ‘three-legged stool’ is said to demonstrate a ‘balance’ in the Anglican approach to faith contrasting it with Roman Catholic and the Protestant doctrines. The term via media when used in reference to the Anglican tradition generally refers to the idea that Anglicanism represents a middle way between Protestantism and Roman Catholicism.
So .... according to this is NOT based on the Bible only.
I agree.Jesus warned about the traditions of men ... that's the main issue He had with the Jewish clerics
Well, I don't care for the way that section you quoted from is written. And I say that because it's not as clear as it could be IMHO and can lead the reader to come to the same mistaken conclusion you seem to have done.
No, neither the Thirty-nine Articles nor the other doctrinal statements of Anglicans put manmade traditions on the same level as Scripture, although I can see how that impression might have been given.
I agree.
This is a good point -- if you disconnect Sunday from the Ten Commandments -- specifically the Sabbath commandment - then you have no restrictions or expectations set at all. Have it as a memorial day like Easter and celebrate it as you wish.
And none of them call Sunday the Lords Day!
You said:I love the TR if you haven't been able to tell, but many translations of today do not come from teh heretical Westcott and Hort manuscript.
Acts 20:7 was first mentioned by another poster. That was back in the first dozen posts here. I replied to it in post 32, Then it was referred to by a different poster. I made another mention of it in post 193 and YOU then quoted me in your reply to that post. In all of these the chapter and verse were identified.
No text in the Bible (not even Acts 20:7) says that Christians "met every Sunday for worship because Jesus was resurrected on Sunday". (Nor even that Christians "met every Sunday for worship" for any reason whatsoever)
But I have to agree with you that it would have been nice to have such a text because then that could be a "sola scriptura" vetted argument.
Is it any wonder then that the "Sola scriptura" argument gets "hammered" right here by our Catholic friends - on this very point raised..?
see #161
There is absolutely NO evidence for a Wednesday crucifixion, other than your "math", which is no proof...
The Lord's supper is the Lord's (1 Corinthians 11:20).
The Lord's cup is the Lord's (1 Corinthians 10:21).
The Lord's table is the Lord's (1 Corinthians 10:21).
Logic dictates that if the supper, cup, table, are called the Lord's, then that very day would also be called the “Lord's day” if we follow the pattern. Christians gathered on Sunday or the first day of the week when it came to the LORD's supper (See: Acts of the Apostles 20:7).
Conclusion:
The Lord's day is Sunday or the first day of the week because that is when they had the Lord's supper.
St. Ignatius of Antioch, to the Church in Magnesia, 9:1
"Ει ουν οι εν παλαιοις πραγμασιν αναστραφεντες εις καινοτητα ελπιδος ηλθον, μηκετι σαββατιζοντες αλλα κατα κυριακην ζωντες, εν η και η ζωη ημων ανετειλεν δι αυτου και του θανατου αυτου, {ον} τινες αρνουνται, δι ου μυστηριου ελαβομεν το πιστευειν, και δια τουτο υπομενομεν, ινα ευρεθωμεν μαθηται Ιησου Χριστου του μονου διδασκαλου ημων·"
The bold portion:
μηκετι σαββατιζοντες αλλα κατα κυριακην ζωντες
meketi sabbatizontes alla kata kuriaken zontes
"no longer Sabbath-living, but living according to [the] Lord's [day]"
-CryptoLutheran
As I think is evident here, the reference is not to dogma but to religious customs. Note that it says "Traditions and Ceremonies."XXXIV. Of the Traditions of the Church.
It is not necessary that Traditions and Ceremonies be in all places one, or utterly like; for at all times they have been divers, and may be changed according to the diversity of countries, times, and men's manners,
And here we have an even clearer reference to what the subject is speaking of. "Rites" "ordained only by man's authority" "things be done to edifying"Every particular or national Church hath authority to ordain, change, and abolish, Ceremonies or Rites of the Church ordained only by man's authority, so that all things be done to edifying.
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