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That is true, but what does that have to do with this topic or my initial response to you?
Ok however its does day " there was evening and there was morning one day".Hi there Maria, nice to see you. According to the scriptures in Gods' time a day starts sunset to sunset. *see Genesis 1:2-5; Leviticus 23:32. So in our time today Sabbath starts from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.
God bless
Cont.. Leviticus has to do with the Day of Atonement. The beginning of this chapter deals with the Sabbath and it does not say "even to even".Hi there Maria, nice to see you. According to the scriptures in Gods' time a day starts sunset to sunset. *see Genesis 1:2-5; Leviticus 23:32. So in our time today Sabbath starts from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.
God bless
I was following you but it’s not the same comparison because God did claim His day very clearly by the scriptures shown in my initial response to you. I’ll post them again to make it easier, so you do not need to search for them.You said there is no scripture that mentions the Lords day.
There is no scripture that mentions the Trinity.
You still believe in the Trinity though.
I was following you but it’s not the same comparison because God did claim His day very clearly by the scriptures shown in my initial response to you. I’ll post them again to make it easier, so you do not need to search for them.
Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words, (how can you possibly argue the Lord's day is the first day when this makes it so clear which is the Lords day)
Mark 2:28 28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”
There is no scripture telling us Sunday is the Lords day or God’s new holy day. Which is why the Sabbath will continue for eternity to be God’s chosen day and not the first day. Isaiah 66:23
Yes Maria, take a look in Genesis 1:2-5 the darkness was before the light.Ok however its does day " there was evening and there was morning one day".
Sabbath is evening to evening.
Cont.. Leviticus has to do with the Day of Atonement. The beginning of this chapter deals with the Sabbath and it does not say "even to even".
‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.
( Of course I am not trying to fight tradition but this is kind of bugging me. I'll stick to " everyday is the Lord's day"! )
This is not really truthful. We cannot make anything holy. According to the scriptures it was God who blessed the seventh day and made the "seventh day" a holy day of rest for all mankind (see Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11 and Mark 2:27-28) and it is God who calls the Sabbath His holy day or My Sabbaths or Sabbath of the Lord in Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 31:12-18; Leviticus 19:30; Ezekiel 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:15; Leviticus 23:3; Exodus 31:15
I respectfully disagree. The meaning of κυριακή ημέρα in the Koine Greek of "the Lords day" is κυριακή (kyriakós; G2960) ημέρα (hēméra: G2250) simply means the day belonging to the Lord or the Lord's ownership of "the day". There is no scripture links to Sunday or the first day of the week in the bible in regards to "the Lords day" being Sunday or the first day of the week.
Sorry got no idea what your talking about. You do know that there was many different kinds of sabbaths in the old covenant right that where not God's 4th commandment that could fall on any day of the week right depending on the yearly cycle?So basically for SDA Colossians 2:16 cancels out everything about the sabbath except for Exodus 20:8-11. Also you say "holy convocation of no work", which is how I interpret it. However I've read SDA saying the holy convocation means we're supposed to go to church on Saturday.
Your response here...LoveGodsWord said: ↑ This is not really truthful. We cannot make anything holy. According to the scriptures it was God who blessed the seventh day and made the "seventh day" a holy day of rest for all mankind (see Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11 and Mark 2:27-28) and it is God who calls the Sabbath His holy day or My Sabbaths or Sabbath of the Lord in Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 31:12-18; Leviticus 19:30; Ezekiel 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:15; Leviticus 23:3; Exodus 31:15
You disagree about what exactly? Let's not disagree for the sake of a disagreement. Please be specific and provide scripture showing why you disagree. What was it that you disagree with in the section you are quoting from of my post above according to the scriptures? Can we as men make anything holy? Did God bless and make holy the Sabbath day for all mankind? Does God claim ownership of the Sabbath day by calling the Sabbath "My Holy day"; "My Sabbaths"; "Sabbath of the Lord"? Did Jesus say in His own words that he is the Lord of the Sabbath day? All the above are verbatim scripture which is God's Word not my words but you disagree with your words that are not God's Word without explaining why you disagree with the post and scriptures shared there. Can you be specific as I am confused by your response here. What is it exactly that you disagree with in the scriptures shared with you?I disagree. But as I said this is way off-topic so to prevent derailing this thread any further and making it a complete mess I will elaborate at a later time. Let's concentrate on Rev 1:10.
Your response...LoveGodsWord said: ↑ I respectfully disagree. The meaning of κυριακή ημέρα in the Koine Greek of "the Lords day" is κυριακή (kyriakós; G2960) ημέρα (hēméra: G2250) simply means the day belonging to the Lord or the Lord's ownership of "the day". There is no scripture links to Sunday or the first day of the week in the bible in regards to "the Lords day" being Sunday or the first day of the week.
Actually it appear twice in the scriptures once is to "the Lords day" in Revelation 1:10 and the second time is to "the Lords supper" in 1 Corinthians 11:20. It is true that the term "the Lords day" because a term used for the Christian tradition of the resurrection but this did not happen to well after the writing of John in Revelation 1:10's use of "the Lords day". Therefore outside sources of the use of "the Lords day" do not support the biblical usage and definitions of κυριακή ημέρα from a scriptural point of view that you have also just agreed with.Since the precise Greek term only appears once in scripture, I agree there is nothing linking it to Sunday (or to the sabbath for that matter). However in the historical use of the term in early Christian writings from the same period that John wrote Revelation, it undoubtedly refers to Sunday, the day the early Christians gathered for worship.
No problem. I came across an interesting paper this afternoon by accident called
THE LORD’S DAY” OF REVELATION 1:10 IN THE CURRENT DEBATE (linked)
Have a read and tell me what you think and how it might relate to this OP?
Look forward to discussing this one with you.
Take a read of the linked post...I've already fully expressed my opinion on "the Lord's Day" in Revelation 1:10 in various posts to this thread. Which is actually in agreement with you, in that there's no scriptural backing that the author meant Sunday. Although for some reason you keep asking me "Do you have any scripture that supports your view that Sunday is the Lords day?" when like I keep saying, that's not my view. What's up with all the garbled communication David? Seriously.
Take a read of the linked post...
THE LORD’S DAY” OF REVELATION 1:10 IN THE CURRENT DEBATE (linked)
From what you posted earlier on the earlier church you will find it interesting. Lets talk more after you have had some time to read it.
The article shows that the writings of Ignatius and the Didache don't support the Lord's day as Sunday either. Funny how the clause "κυριακη ημερα" is not even in them ain't it.
You need to read the whole passage for context. This is not saying to obey traditions over commandments of God. Sunday worship was never a tradition or taught in scripture nor is it a commandment of God.2 Thessalonians 2:15
15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.
There are two sabbaths in the bible. There is a Sabbath that is in God's commandments and is part of a covenant of Ten. God personally wrote His covenant of Ten on stone and placed His covenant of Ten in the Most holy of God's Temple. God wrote the word "Remember" about the 4th commandment which is the holy day of the Lord according to our Creator. The Sabbath is not against us it is a blessing that God gives His people as a sign between Him and us and how we are sanctified. God also said the Sabbath is a perpetual covenant and God's Word is true which is why on the New Earth Sabbath worship continues, not the first day Isaiah 66:23, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13-14, Ezekiel 20:10, Ezekiel 20:12So basically for SDA Colossians 2:16 cancels out everything about the sabbath except for Exodus 20:8-11. Also you say "holy convocation of no work", which is how I interpret it. However I've read SDA saying the holy convocation means we're supposed to go to church on Saturday.
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