The Location Of Hell

[CaiperLane]

I believe it is in another dimension. On the opposite side of a black hole perhaps? But it is somewhere far away from earth and with a one way entrance.

Anyone care to share their views?

 

[Chopinzee]

Well it would be in a parallel universe. I can prove this by deductive reasoning, if you like.

 

[Jig]

Well it would be in a parallel universe. I can prove this by deductive reasoning, if you like.

Please do.




Anyway, Ephesians 4:9....makes it seem that there is a place under the earth for souls.

 

[Chopinzee]

The law of conservation of matter states that all the matter in the universe remains constant, matter cannot be created or destroyed.

A combustion reaction (ie. burning something) requires oxygen and carbon as reactants and produces the by-products of ash and CO2.

In a combustion reaction, if the mass of the reactants is finite, then the reaction will last for a finite amount of time.

If something lasts for a finite amount of time, it does not last forever.

Therefore, a combustion reaction in which the mass of the reactants is finite will not last forever.

Our bodies have a finite mass.

In hell, our bodies will burn forever.

Therefore, hell must not exist in this universe, but in a different universe in which there is no law of conservation of matter.

 

[lmnop9876]

interesting observation

 

[Jig]

The law of conservation of matter states that all the matter in the universe remains constant, matter cannot be created or destroyed.

A combustion reaction (ie. burning something) requires oxygen and carbon as reactants and produces the by-products of ash and CO2.

In a combustion reaction, if the mass of the reactants is finite, then the reaction will last for a finite amount of time.

If something lasts for a finite amount of time, it does not last forever.

Therefore, a combustion reaction in which the mass of the reactants is finite will not last forever.

Our bodies have a finite mass.

In hell, our bodies will burn forever.

Therefore, hell must not exist in this universe, but in a different universe in which there is no law of conservation of matter.

This is of course, if you you believe are bodies will actually burn with real fire. We are told that hell is a place of utter darkness...this would not make sense if the fire was real.

 

[Chopinzee]

The "formal" way to do it would be to assume hell exists in this universe, and then form a contradiction, disproving the assumption. That can be done with some simple re-wording, but i'm too lazy.

 

[Jig]

The law of conservation of matter states that all the matter in the universe remains constant, matter cannot be created or destroyed.

If something lasts for a finite amount of time, it does not last forever.

Hmmm.....nothing can be destroyed or created, wouldn't that mean everything lasts forever, in some form or another? Nothing is truely finite.

 

[Chopinzee]

This is of course, if you you believe are bodies will actually burn with real fire. We are told that hell is a place of utter darkness...this would not make sense if the fire was real.

Revelation describes hell as a "lake of burning sulfur" - this is pretty specific, since Sulfur is an element on the periodic table, I've never heard of such a thing as "non-literal sulfur".

Anyway, for some logic:

Hell is described as a lake of fire.
Hell is describe das a place of darkness.
Fire and darkness cannot co-exist.
Therefore, either the word "darkness" or the word "fire" is used metaphorically.
The word "fire" is not used metaphorically (see Revelation)
Therefore, the word "darkness" is used metaphorically.

 

[Chopinzee]

Hmmm.....nothing can be destroyed or created, wouldn't that mean everything lasts forever, in some form or another? Nothing is truely finite.

The reaction doesn't last forever. The mass does last forever but it changes form from carbon, oxygen and other reactants to carbon dioxide and ash.

 

[lmnop9876]

i think it's a place of darkness because it's away from God, who is Light

 

[Jig]

Revelation describes hell as a "lake of burning sulfur" - this is pretty specific, since Sulfur is an element on the periodic table, I've never heard of such a thing as "non-literal sulfur".

Anyway, for some logic:

Hell is described as a lake of fire.
Hell is describe das a place of darkness.
Fire and darkness cannot co-exist.
Therefore, either the word "darkness" or the word "fire" is used metaphorically.
The word "fire" is not used metaphorically (see Revelation)
Therefore, the word "darkness" is used metaphorically.

I'm sorry but your "sulfur" proof really doesn't support much. Your agreeing that Hell is discribed by using some kind of symbolic reference, including either fire or darkness, but will not accept the fact that sulfur might also be part of that metaphor?

God is Light. True? In fact this is proven because God created Light even before the "light givers", such as stars and our sun. Which means it had to be coming from something. And that something was God.

Why would God be in Hell? Hell is total seperation from Him. Thus, light cannot be there. So, the fire must be symbolic not the darkness.

 

[Chopinzee]

I think the phrase "God is light" is sybolic of the fact that God leads our lives and shows us the way. If God were really just physical light, he wouldn't be all-powerful or all-knowing, because photons (what light is made up of) cannot have self-consenceness, it is just matter.

 

[Chopinzee]

If the darkness/light thing were not symbolic, this would prove my point furthur that Hell exists in a different universe. Because there is light everywhere in this universe, even in the darkest places, there is still a tiny amount of light.

 

[CaiperLane]

The law of conservation of matter states that all the matter in the universe remains constant, matter cannot be created or destroyed.

A combustion reaction (ie. burning something) requires oxygen and carbon as reactants and produces the by-products of ash and CO2.

In a combustion reaction, if the mass of the reactants is finite, then the reaction will last for a finite amount of time.

If something lasts for a finite amount of time, it does not last forever.

Therefore, a combustion reaction in which the mass of the reactants is finite will not last forever.

Our bodies have a finite mass.

In hell, our bodies will burn forever.

Therefore, hell must not exist in this universe, but in a different universe in which there is no law of conservation of matter.

I liken that to what I thought. Hell being in another dimension. You can call that a parellel universe.

 

[Jig]

The reaction doesn't last forever. The mass does last forever but it changes form from carbon, oxygen and other reactants to carbon dioxide and ash.

Read Danial 3:20-30....God can stop the flesh from burning even in flames. why can't this be true in Hell?

The story in Danial happened here on Earth, not aonther dimention.

 

[Chopinzee]

Any place where energy exists, light can and will exist. The only way it would be impossible for light to exist in hell is if energy is non-existant in hell. If energy does not exist in hell, then hell has a temperature of absolute zero. This would contradict any Biblical statement claiming that hell is a place that is hot or contains fire. You might want to think about this the next time you use the phrase "when hell freezes over", because by your definition, it is already at absolute zero.

Unless of course it doesn't exist in this universe, as per my orignial claim.

 

[lmnop9876]

Read Danial 3:20-30....God can stop the flesh from burning even in flames. why can't this be true in Hell?

The story in Danial happened here on Earth, not aonther dimention.

that's correct, but those men didn't feel any pain either.

 

[Jig]

If the darkness/light thing were not symbolic, this would prove my point furthur that Hell exists in a different universe. Because there is light everywhere in this universe, even in the darkest places, there is still a tiny amount of light.

If you can believe God made the light why can't you believe He can retract it at will? In Genesis it says He seperated it from darkness, so is it not possible He does this for Hell?

 

[Chopinzee]

Read Danial 3:20-30....God can stop the flesh from burning even in flames. why can't this be true in Hell?

The story in Danial happened here on Earth, not aonther dimention.

You are claiming divine intervention will exist in hell. But you previously stated that hell is complete separation from God. This is a contradiction.