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The lie of the "right" regarding socialism
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<blockquote data-quote="rjs330" data-source="post: 74726195" data-attributes="member: 377008"><p>European socialism is not what we want. And yes I have been there. I've been to Great Britain, Ireland, Germany and Norway. </p><p></p><p>You have obviously bought into the socialist ideal. The socialist pay for it dearly. </p><p><a href="https://thefederalist.com/2017/11/13/socialism-still-awful-despite-european-image-makeover/" target="_blank">Why Socialism Is Still Awful Despite Its European Image Makeover</a></p><p></p><p>They pay and pay and pay. The healthcare sounds great cause people don't have to pay for it. Yet it fails when it comes to innovation and ease of healthcare. Particularly for needs that go beyond the typical. My step mom's brother suffered for months when he needed surgery to repair a mesh in his stomach. This would not have happened here. When she came to the states she was amazed at the quick service dad got. And many people come here for service they can't get elsewhere. </p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/bernie-touts-finlands-failing-healthcare-system-in-his-call-for-socialism%3f_amp=true" target="_blank">Bernie touts Finland's failing healthcare system in his call for socialism</a></p><p></p><p>Yes the US system needs reform. There is no doubt about it. But single payer systems are not the only answer. But it seems like it's the only answer the left in America will listen to. </p><p></p><p>And income in America is greater than Europe. Even among the poor. You talked about the over weight people. That's because we don't control what people eat. Even our poor do better.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2019/08/27/americas-poorest-are-richer-most-average-europeans-study" target="_blank">America’s poorest are richer than most average Europeans: Study</a></p><p></p><p>Look, I really enjoyed visiting Europe. We had a great time. And I honestly would love to live in Ireland. And if I did I would understand that my way if life would need to change. I'd accept that.</p><p></p><p>There are great benefits to both ways of living. But I don't want to change America into Europe. The way if life here is different and much of Europes way just wouldn't work here. $6-9 dollars a gallon for gas, stores that close down at 6. The inability to work more if want to. The high cost of utilities, less spending money etc. If you live the European way, then great. Go live in Europe. </p><p></p><p>I'm just asking Americans not to force those who don't want it to have to have it. If you want it there are LOTS of places that have it. If you don't want it, then America is all that's left.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rjs330, post: 74726195, member: 377008"] European socialism is not what we want. And yes I have been there. I've been to Great Britain, Ireland, Germany and Norway. You have obviously bought into the socialist ideal. The socialist pay for it dearly. [URL="https://thefederalist.com/2017/11/13/socialism-still-awful-despite-european-image-makeover/"]Why Socialism Is Still Awful Despite Its European Image Makeover[/URL] They pay and pay and pay. The healthcare sounds great cause people don't have to pay for it. Yet it fails when it comes to innovation and ease of healthcare. Particularly for needs that go beyond the typical. My step mom's brother suffered for months when he needed surgery to repair a mesh in his stomach. This would not have happened here. When she came to the states she was amazed at the quick service dad got. And many people come here for service they can't get elsewhere. [URL="https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/bernie-touts-finlands-failing-healthcare-system-in-his-call-for-socialism%3f_amp=true"]Bernie touts Finland's failing healthcare system in his call for socialism[/URL] Yes the US system needs reform. There is no doubt about it. But single payer systems are not the only answer. But it seems like it's the only answer the left in America will listen to. And income in America is greater than Europe. Even among the poor. You talked about the over weight people. That's because we don't control what people eat. Even our poor do better. [URL="https://acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2019/08/27/americas-poorest-are-richer-most-average-europeans-study"]America’s poorest are richer than most average Europeans: Study[/URL] Look, I really enjoyed visiting Europe. We had a great time. And I honestly would love to live in Ireland. And if I did I would understand that my way if life would need to change. I'd accept that. There are great benefits to both ways of living. But I don't want to change America into Europe. The way if life here is different and much of Europes way just wouldn't work here. $6-9 dollars a gallon for gas, stores that close down at 6. The inability to work more if want to. The high cost of utilities, less spending money etc. If you live the European way, then great. Go live in Europe. I'm just asking Americans not to force those who don't want it to have to have it. If you want it there are LOTS of places that have it. If you don't want it, then America is all that's left. [/QUOTE]
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