The lesson of Geocentrism

[Blueberry Sponge]

Doesn't anyone have a tape measure? I'll measure the basketball and you all can measure the universe and we'll calculate our "mathematical" proof of how that these two are "analogous". Maybe Michael Jordan can help you measure the universe - he's pretty tall.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Mathematical proof that the universe is analogous to a basketball skin? Sounds interesting.
Would it be an allegorical presentation?
If I interpreted your presentation literally would you be offended?

Well, here's one of the recent papers: http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0310/0310253.pdf

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

Well, here's one of the recent papers: http://www.arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0310/0310253.pdf

Nah, I'm not going to chase down url's. Bring your tape measure and let's you and I measure the universe. Can't you present your case?

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

I'm not going to reinvent the wheel. The evidence is there. If you can't be bothered to go and look at it, the appropriate course of action is to stop asking for it.

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

I'm not going to reinvent the wheel. The evidence is there. If you can't be bothered to go and look at it, the appropriate course of action is to stop asking for it.

You've apparently reconsidered trying to recreate the universe according to your imagination too.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

You've apparently reconsidered trying to recreate the universe according to your imagination too.

Right. The originator of the finite boundless universe model was Karl, Liberal Backslider.

****. Must sue those plagiarists who published the paper!

 

[Blueberry Sponge]

Model, you say. That doesn't sound too dogmatic. Finite I can accept. Boundless, on the other hand; a basketball skin has thickness boundries.
Is it a model of something that can conform to Romans 8 or would you have to try to squish Romans 8 in order to make it fit the model?

Romans 8:

19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
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20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
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21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
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22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.
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23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Model, you say. That doesn't sound too dogmatic. Finite I can accept. Boundless, on the other hand; a basketball skin has thickness boundries.

That's where the model breaks down. The universe is actually analogous to the two dimensional surface; nothing in the model is analogous to the thickness of the basketball skin.

Is it a model of something that can conform to Romans 8 or would you have to try to squish Romans 8 in order to make it fit the model?

Romans 8:

19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.​

20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;​

21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.​

22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.​

23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

Doesn't do anything to Romans 8. It just tells you about the physical nature of the creation which.....