The Left Comes Out In Support Of Fred Phelps

[JedPerkins]

http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]The national ACLU is neutral on the issue of gun control. We believe that the Constitution contains no barriers to reasonable regulations of gun ownership. If we can license and register cars, we can license and register guns. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Most opponents of gun control concede that the Second Amendment certainly does not guarantee an individual's right to own bazookas, missiles or nuclear warheads. Yet these, like rifles, pistols and even submachine guns, are arms. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]The question therefore is not whether to restrict arms ownership, but how much to restrict it. If that is a question left open by the Constitution, then it is a question for Congress to decide. [/FONT]​

This was where I was going a few pages ago (when Mach was so kind as to refuse to answer my question), but apparently it is a Leftist and evil way to think.

Of course, Mach will continue to refuse to admit that citizens shouldn't be allowed to possess nuclear weapons because such an admission would point to a fundamental flaw in his stance.

 

[MachZer0]

Irrelevent.

It's irrelevant what the people who wrote the amendments said about those amendments? No wonder there is such misunderstanding

Glad to hear you're in favor of obscentiy. Should make next season of Desperate Housewives real interesting.

Glad to hear you're in favor of libel. Should make reading the New York Times much more exciting.

Glad to hear you're in favor of death threats. Should make-- oh wait a minute, there's nothing redeeming about that...

Is misrepresentation of my viewpoint the best argument you have?

What a strange, sick world we'd be living in under your interpretation of the Constitution...

Do you fear the constitution as it was written?

No comment about the Third Amendment, Mach? Do you feel that the ACLU adequately defends that one as well?

Is there some controversy over the 3rd amendment. Has the ACLU taken a position on it?

 

[nvxplorer]

Why?

The ACLU official stance on guns is nuetrality. Why would they want to confiscate the guns?

The neutrality claim is a coverup. The ACLU really wants to seize all guns and use them to shoot the pets of conservatives. Why can't you see that?

 

[MachZer0]

The ACLJ promotes a true fascist philosophy. I wouldn't be surprised to see it push for the banning of all religion except for Robertsonism.

The ACLJ is not part of this discussion, thank you

 

[nvxplorer]

The ACLJ is not part of this discussion, thank you

This is a discussion?

 

[MachZer0]

Why?

The ACLU official stance on guns is nuetrality. Why would they want to confiscate the guns?

Why do they pick and choose which civil rights to defend? Because they base their activities on their political agenda which is not centered around the founding principles of our nation

 

[JustOneWay]

The ACLJ promotes a true fascist philosophy. I wouldn't be surprised to see it push for the banning of all religion except for Robertsonism.

 

[MachZer0]

This is a discussion?

Yes, although not polite at times

 

[nvxplorer]

Why do they pick and choose which civil rights to defend? Because they base their activities on their political agenda which is not centered around the founding principles of our nation

I thought you claimed we were having a discussion? This looks more like a Rumsfeld press conference.

 

[JustOneWay]

Why do they pick and choose which civil rights to defend? Because they base their activities on their political agenda which is not centered around the founding principles of our nation

If you would like to answer my question (the one you quoted in your post), great. Unfortunatly, your response had nothing to do with my question.

 

[nvxplorer]

Yes, although not polite at times

Nope. Not a discussion. This entire monotonous, error filled, nonsensical, pride driven, contradictory thread can be summed up as: "I'm right. All of you are wrong. Logic, reason and consistency be damned!"

 

[MachZer0]

If you would like to answer my question (the one you quoted in your post), great. Unfortunatly, your response had nothing to do with my question.

To answer your question, the ACLU would push for confiscation of guns because that is a traditional communist move, to disarm the citizenry in order to exert control. That would fit in with the ACLU's agenda and history

 

[nvxplorer]

To answer your question, the ACLU would push for confiscation of guns because that is a traditional communist move, to disarm the citizenry in order to exert control. That would fit in with the ACLU's agenda and history

LOL

You really have run out of ideas. (Well, that's not to say that every one of your posts haven't been anything but unsupported assertions.)

Page 70. Woo hoo!

 

[tulc]

More like communists

American communists.
tulc(thought that should be pointed out)

 

[JustOneWay]

To answer your question, the ACLU would push for confiscation of guns because that is a traditional communist move, to disarm the citizenry in order to exert control. That would fit in with the ACLU's agenda and history

So the ACLU is a communist organization?

And which army will back up the ACLU's gun confiscation command, and how will the ACLU exert control over us?



Have you found an ACLU ruling that demands that citizen(s) must relinquish their firearms? I only ask because it would help the credibility of your claim that it is the ACLU's agenda and history.

 

[notto]

Why do they pick and choose which civil rights to defend? Because they base their activities on their political agenda which is not centered around the founding principles of our nation

I guess the same could be said of the NRA, right?

 

[Nathan Poe]

It's irrelevant what the people who wrote the amendments said about those amendments? No wonder there is such misunderstanding

If they didn't write it into the Amendment itself, it's irrelevent, according to you.
You're the strict Constitutionalist, and now all of a sudden you're claiming the penumbra of an unrelated document.


But as long as you want to discuss the Authors' intent, why is it that you omitted the fact that the reason for the Second Amendment, and the maintenence of "a well-regulated militia," was because the Founding Fathers were originally against the idea of America keeping a standing army?

Why is it that you omitted that our FFs had seen what a militaristic society had done for the Greeks and Romans, a class of people dehumanized by constant militarism, separate and resentful of the civilian populace, leading eventually to civil war and destruction?

Why did you omit thisa in discussing the Founding Fathers? Because those facts are far too inconvenient.

Is misrepresentation of my viewpoint the best argument you have?

Your viewpoint, as you yourself express it, is amusing enough. You seem to be in favor of Obscenity, Libel, death threats, and unlimited firearms, because the Constitution doesn't explicity state otherwise.

Do you fear the constitution as it was written?

Do you fear the Sumreme Court?

Is there some controversy over the 3rd amendment. Has the ACLU taken a position on it?

Nope. Why aren't you whining about that? The Second Amendment has been well-interpreted thanks to over a century of precident. Why are you so afraid of the courts?

 

[Nathan Poe]

The ACLJ is not part of this discussion, thank you

Because they are allowed to pick and choose their causes, right?

 

[Nathan Poe]

To answer your question, the ACLU would push for confiscation of guns because that is a traditional communist move, to disarm the citizenry in order to exert control. That would fit in with the ACLU's agenda and history

It would be appreciated if you could support this with something other than raving paranoia.

Appreciated, but not expected.

 

[Nathan Poe]

So the ACLU is a communist organization?

And which army will back up the ACLU's gun confiscation command, and how will the ACLU exert control over us?

Mind-control rays from the far side of the Moon.