The Law

[Tawhano]

GOD'S ARMY said:
The laws of God are written. Why have so many Christians done away with the law? Why is the law not followed? Verse 18 clearly tells us that the law shall not pass away till all be fulfilled.

Christians haven’t done away with the law; the law resides in a Christian’s heart as the Holy Spirit. Here below I have included a post that I wrote and posted in the 'Christian Only' section of this forum in response to those who believe we are still bound to written laws. I apologize for it’s length but I wanted to be thorough.

When Moses first went before the Lord in mount Horeb, before he was given the tablets of stone, God gave Moses the Ten Commandments and the laws, which he wrote in a book. In fact God first gave the Ten Commandments to all the people ‘in person’ (Exodus 20:1) before they were written down in stone.

Exodus 24:3-4
And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

Later on God gave Moses the stones, which were later broken and written over again. So it is true that the Ten Commandments were separate from the law. So what were the Ten Commandments if they were not part of the law?

Exodus 34:27-28
And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:13-14
And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

They were the Covenant that God made with Moses and the children of Israel. God made this covenant AND gave them laws to follow. Moral and ceremonial laws were covered in the statutes and judgements that Moses wrote down in the book which he taught Israel. The Ten Commandments written in stone was the Covenant God made with them.

Deuteronomy 5:1-3
And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day.

God made this covenant with Israel and no other people. So how did the gentiles get into the picture?

Judges 2:20
And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel; and he said, Because that this people hath transgressed my covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto my voice;

Hosea 2:23
And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to [them which were] not my people, Thou [art] my people; and they shall say, [Thou art] my God.

Romans 9:25
As he saith also in Osee (Hosea 2:23), I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

But what about the covenant that God made with Israel? What happened to the Ten Commandments?

Jeremiah 31:31-33
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

A new covenant, not written in stone but in the hearts

Hebrews 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

Hebrews 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

And what of the old covenant?

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 8:6-7
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

I chose to live in the new covenant.

 

[fatboys]

Christians haven’t done away with the law; the law resides in a Christian’s heart as the Holy Spirit. Here below I have included a post that I wrote and posted in the 'Christian Only' section of this forum in response to those who believe we are still bound to written laws. I apologize for it’s length but I wanted to be thorough.

When Moses first went before the Lord in mount Horeb, before he was given the tablets of stone, God gave Moses the Ten Commandments and the laws, which he wrote in a book. In fact God first gave the Ten Commandments to all the people ‘in person’ (Exodus 20:1) before they were written down in stone.

Exodus 24:3-4
And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

Later on God gave Moses the stones, which were later broken and written over again. So it is true that the Ten Commandments were separate from the law. So what were the Ten Commandments if they were not part of the law?

Exodus 34:27-28
And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:13-14
And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

They were the Covenant that God made with Moses and the children of Israel. God made this covenant AND gave them laws to follow. Moral and ceremonial laws were covered in the statutes and judgements that Moses wrote down in the book which he taught Israel. The Ten Commandments written in stone was the Covenant God made with them.

Deuteronomy 5:1-3
And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day.

God made this covenant with Israel and no other people. So how did the gentiles get into the picture?

Judges 2:20
And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel; and he said, Because that this people hath transgressed my covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto my voice;

Hosea 2:23
And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to [them which were] not my people, Thou [art] my people; and they shall say, [Thou art] my God.

Romans 9:25
As he saith also in Osee (Hosea 2:23), I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

But what about the covenant that God made with Israel? What happened to the Ten Commandments?

Jeremiah 31:31-33
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

A new covenant, not written in stone but in the hearts

Hebrews 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

Hebrews 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

And what of the old covenant?

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 8:6-7
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

I chose to live in the new covenant.

FB: What laws was Israel living before the Ten commandments. Did the earlier prophets before Moses live the laws of God?

 

[CaliforniaKid]

Hi guys,

My 2 cents:

Recent study of the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran has revealed that "works of law," a phrase Paul used often (saying that Christians are no longer bound by them), referred to primarily three things: sabbaths, food restrictions, and circumcision. All three of these things are identity markers for the Jews. The issue for Paul is not that these things are bad, but that they are Jew-specific. Gentiles should not be forced to become Jews; they only have to become Christians. Thus under Paul's system, Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians can live freely alongside each other. Jewish Christians may--if they please--continue to perform works of law to maintain their identity. Gentile Christians, for their part, should not perform works of law lest the Jewish Christians persuade them that these things are not just identity markers, but works that impart salvation.

The evidence from Qumran tells us that when Paul said we are no longer bound by works of law, he meant we do not need to follow food restrictions, sabbaths, and circumcision. Each of these served its purpose for the Jews, and has little or no validity for a Christian world that includes Gentiles. And it is in Hebrews that we find the most extensive description of priesthood, temples, and the sacrificial cult as fulfilled and abolished by Jesus Christ. On the other hand, Paul's teaching about "works of law" does not tell us we don't need the Ten Commandments or the moral laws.

-CK

 

[Tawhano]

fatboys said:
What laws was Israel living before the Ten commandments.

Genesis 17:9-11 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This [is] my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

fatboys said:
Did the earlier prophets before Moses live the laws of God?

Yes. They were verbal commandments from God.

Now I have a question for you. What has any of that got to do with what I posted? Why did you completely ignore and not address one single thing that I posted?

 

[fatboys]

Genesis 17:9-11 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This [is] my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.



Yes. They were verbal commandments from God.

Now I have a question for you. What has any of that got to do with what I posted? Why did you completely ignore and not address one single thing that I posted?

FB: What law did Abraham live by before God made a covenant with him?

 

[Tawhano]

CaliforniaKid said:
On the other hand, Paul's teaching about "works of law" does not tell us we don't need the Ten Commandments or the moral laws.

fatboys said:
What law did Abraham live by before God made a covenant with him?

Gentlemen, I have posted the scriptures to back up my beliefs. If you wish to debate this issue with me then address where in those scriptures I have made an error.

 

[gort]

Tawhano quote:
Gentlemen, I have posted the scriptures to back up my beliefs. If you wish to debate this issue with me then address where in those scriptures I have made an error.

I would agree with what you have said. My studies show much cross referencing between the OT and the Nt, both in laws written in stone, and laws written on the heart. It also shows clearly that the OT law was for Israel only. Not for the gentiles, however, if a gentile was so inclined, he could participate.

What is most facinating is the symbology of the Tabernacle in the OT, and how much better that tabernacle is in the NT, which is Jesus Himself. Also, along the same lines, the Law, once written in stone, now written on the heart. Made much better.

I'm also finding something interwoven between the Old and New Testament that leaves no wiggle room whatsoever.......

Keep up the good work Tawhano.....

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[CaliforniaKid]

Hey Tawhano,

I don't disagree with you that the law is written on our hearts. But my point is that the law that's written on our hearts includes basic rules of morality that are essentially identical to the ones written in the ten commandments (minus the sabbath one).

-CK

 

[Tawhano]

CaliforniaKid said:
I don't disagree with you that the law is written on our hearts. But my point is that the law that's written on our hearts includes basic rules of morality that are essentially identical to the ones written in the ten commandments (minus the sabbath one).

Ahh...I get ya now. Yes Jesus said he was giving us a new commandment but it wasn’t really new. It is the essential and universal command that had been from day one. Love. Not man’s emotion love but God’s love. Following that one commandment will mean you fulfill the others but in order to not fall into the same trap Israel did in following written commandments we are now to follow the Spirit in us.

 

[A New Dawn]

FB: What laws was Israel living before the Ten commandments. Did the earlier prophets before Moses live the laws of God?

The Noahide covenant.

 

[fatboys]

I would agree with what you have said. My studies show much cross referencing between the OT and the Nt, both in laws written in stone, and laws written on the heart. It also shows clearly that the OT law was for Israel only. Not for the gentiles, however, if a gentile was so inclined, he could participate.

What is most facinating is the symbology of the Tabernacle in the OT, and how much better that tabernacle is in the NT, which is Jesus Himself. Also, along the same lines, the Law, once written in stone, now written on the heart. Made much better.

I'm also finding something interwoven between the Old and New Testament that leaves no wiggle room whatsoever.......

Keep up the good work Tawhano.....

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FB: I agree that the laws of Moses were only written for Israel. Since Abraham was not a Israelite, what law did he live before God made a covenant with him? Abraham is know for his great faith. Faith in God? How did he show this faith in God so he could known as a man of Great faith?

 

[Tawhano]

You are bound and determine to derail my thread aren’t you fatboys? Is there a reason you are unwilling to address the scriptures I posted? Is there a reason that instead of answering questions you just ask questions?

 

[Tawhano]

fatboys,

Here is another question for you to avoid answering. Consider the following:

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 22:1 - 4)
1 BEHOLD, I say unto you that all old covenants have I caused to be done away in this thing; and this is a new and an everlasting covenant, even that which was from the beginning.
2 Wherefore, although a man should be baptized an hundred times it availeth him nothing, for you cannot enter in at the strait gate by the law of Moses, neither by your dead works.
3 For it is because of your dead works that I have caused this last covenant and this church to be built up unto me, even as in days of old.
4 Wherefore, enter ye in at the gate, as I have commanded, and seek not to counsel your God. Amen.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 42:15 - 29)
15 And all this ye shall observe to do as I have commanded concerning your teaching, until the fulness of my scriptures is given.
16 And as ye shall lift up your voices by the Comforter, ye shall speak and prophesy as seemeth me good;
17 For, behold, the Comforter knoweth all things, and beareth record of the Father and of the Son.
18 And now, behold, I speak unto the church. Thou shalt not kill; and he that kills shall not have forgiveness in this world, nor in the world to come.
19 And again, I say, thou shalt not kill; but he that killeth shall die.
20 Thou shalt not steal; and he that stealeth and will not repent shall be cast out.
21 Thou shalt not lie; he that lieth and will not repent shall be cast out.
22 Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart, and shalt cleave unto her and none else.
23 And he that looketh upon a woman to lust after her shall deny the faith, and shall not have the Spirit; and if he repents not he shall be cast out.
24 Thou shalt not commit adultery; and he that committeth adultery, and repenteth not, shall be cast out.
25 But he that has committed adultery and repents with all his heart, and forsaketh it, and doeth it no more, thou shalt forgive;
26 But if he doeth it again, he shall not be forgiven, but shall be cast out.
27 Thou shalt not speak evil of thy neighbor, nor do him any harm.
28 Thou knowest my laws concerning these things are given in my scriptures; he that sinneth and repenteth not shall be cast out.
29 If thou lovest me thou shalt serve me and keep all my commandments.

In section 22 we see that the old covenant is done away with and any who attempt to follow the old covenant it will ‘availeth him nothing’ but in section 42 it commands you to follow the old covenant. What am I missing here?

 

[gort]

FB: I agree that the laws of Moses were only written for Israel. Since Abraham was not a Israelite, what law did he live before God made a covenant with him? Abraham is know for his great faith. Faith in God? How did he show this faith in God so he could known as a man of Great faith?

Abram probably "served other gods" before the One True God called him to leave everything he knew. Abrams' parents served other gods.

He showed faith by believing and doing.

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[GOD'S ARMY]

Christians haven’t done away with the law; the law resides in a Christian’s heart as the Holy Spirit. Here below I have included a post that I wrote and posted in the 'Christian Only' section of this forum in response to those who believe we are still bound to written laws. I apologize for it’s length but I wanted to be thorough.

When Moses first went before the Lord in mount Horeb, before he was given the tablets of stone, God gave Moses the Ten Commandments and the laws, which he wrote in a book. In fact God first gave the Ten Commandments to all the people ‘in person’ (Exodus 20:1) before they were written down in stone.

Exodus 24:3-4
And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

Later on God gave Moses the stones, which were later broken and written over again. So it is true that the Ten Commandments were separate from the law. So what were the Ten Commandments if they were not part of the law?

Exodus 34:27-28
And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deuteronomy 4:13-14
And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

They were the Covenant that God made with Moses and the children of Israel. God made this covenant AND gave them laws to follow. Moral and ceremonial laws were covered in the statutes and judgements that Moses wrote down in the book which he taught Israel. The Ten Commandments written in stone was the Covenant God made with them.

Deuteronomy 5:1-3
And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day.

God made this covenant with Israel and no other people. So how did the gentiles get into the picture?

Judges 2:20
And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel; and he said, Because that this people hath transgressed my covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto my voice;

Hosea 2:23
And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to [them which were] not my people, Thou [art] my people; and they shall say, [Thou art] my God.

Romans 9:25
As he saith also in Osee (Hosea 2:23), I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

But what about the covenant that God made with Israel? What happened to the Ten Commandments?

Jeremiah 31:31-33
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

A new covenant, not written in stone but in the hearts

Hebrews 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.

Hebrews 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

And what of the old covenant?

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 8:6-7
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

I chose to live in the new covenant.

So I can clarify, I beleive the Law of Moses to have been a good law for the people in which it was given and for the time it was given. I do also believe that it is not a perfect or complete law and that is why it is no more. I, though inseperably connect the lesser law and the higher law because the lesser is a type of the higher. The best example of this that I can easily illustrate is found in Matt. 5:21-48 when Christ gives us the old verses the new law.

The other thing that I think is important is to realize that the Melchizedek priesthood and it's acompanying law were first introduced and withdrawn. This is the law which we are under today. It does not nullify the Aaronic priesthood, it makes both together perfect, just as Christ perfected the old law with His eternal sacrifice. It is a law that is truely written on the hearts of the members of God's church. It is a law that can only be fully understood through the power of the Holy Ghost and which the keys are found within the walls of the temple. That is the true law, but without the small and simple things that are spoken of by James, the brother of Christ, the larger, more sought after things of the temple have no meaning.
James 2: 18-26
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[gort]

FB: I agree that the laws of Moses were only written for Israel. Since Abraham was not a Israelite, what law did he live before God made a covenant with him? Abraham is know for his great faith. Faith in God? How did he show this faith in God so he could known as a man of Great faith?

daneel: Abram probably "served other gods" before the One True God called him to leave everything he knew. Abrams' parents served other gods.

He showed faith by believing and doing.

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bump for Fatboys......I'm interested in what laws Abram FB is referring to.

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[Tawhano]

GOD'S ARMY said:
So I can clarify…

I love it when people quote my post and then post a rebuttal but totally ignore the message and the scriptures I gave. What you clarified was you either didn’t read or didn’t understand my post.

GOD'S ARMY said:
The best example of this that I can easily illustrate is found in Matt. 5:21-48 when Christ gives us the old verses the new law.

Good example, Jesus was explaining that the old covenant law was a schoolteacher to bring Israel to Christ. Israel followed the letter of the law but didn’t catch the lesson of the law. Do you know what the greater law is? Do you know what the lesson is?

GOD'S ARMY said:
The other thing that I think is important is to realize that the Melchizedek priesthood and it's acompanying law were first introduced and withdrawn. This is the law which we are under today.

That is speculation and totally unfounded. There was no such thing as the Melchizedek priesthood. Priesthood means a ‘hood’ or community of priests. The order of Melchizedek is the office of one high priest and no others. Jesus is the sole occupant of that office today.

GOD'S ARMY said:
It is a law that can only be fully understood through the power of the Holy Ghost and which the keys are found within the walls of the temple.

More unfounded speculation. The key is faith, it isn’t written on any walls.

GOD'S ARMY said:
That is the true law, but without the small and simple things that are spoken of by James, the brother of Christ, the larger, more sought after things of the temple have no meaning.
James 2: 18-26

Amazing, you totally failed to see that ‘faith’ is the key and James was telling us that. You read James and think he is telling us that we have to keep the laws don’t you?

 

[fatboys]

fatboys,

Here is another question for you to avoid answering. Consider the following:

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 22:1 - 4)
1 BEHOLD, I say unto you that all old covenants have I caused to be done away in this thing; and this is a new and an everlasting covenant, even that which was from the beginning.
2 Wherefore, although a man should be baptized an hundred times it availeth him nothing, for you cannot enter in at the strait gate by the law of Moses, neither by your dead works.
3 For it is because of your dead works that I have caused this last covenant and this church to be built up unto me, even as in days of old.
4 Wherefore, enter ye in at the gate, as I have commanded, and seek not to counsel your God. Amen.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 42:15 - 29)
15 And all this ye shall observe to do as I have commanded concerning your teaching, until the fulness of my scriptures is given.
16 And as ye shall lift up your voices by the Comforter, ye shall speak and prophesy as seemeth me good;
17 For, behold, the Comforter knoweth all things, and beareth record of the Father and of the Son.
18 And now, behold, I speak unto the church. Thou shalt not kill; and he that kills shall not have forgiveness in this world, nor in the world to come.
19 And again, I say, thou shalt not kill; but he that killeth shall die.
20 Thou shalt not steal; and he that stealeth and will not repent shall be cast out.
21 Thou shalt not lie; he that lieth and will not repent shall be cast out.
22 Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart, and shalt cleave unto her and none else.
23 And he that looketh upon a woman to lust after her shall deny the faith, and shall not have the Spirit; and if he repents not he shall be cast out.
24 Thou shalt not commit adultery; and he that committeth adultery, and repenteth not, shall be cast out.
25 But he that has committed adultery and repents with all his heart, and forsaketh it, and doeth it no more, thou shalt forgive;
26 But if he doeth it again, he shall not be forgiven, but shall be cast out.
27 Thou shalt not speak evil of thy neighbor, nor do him any harm.
28 Thou knowest my laws concerning these things are given in my scriptures; he that sinneth and repenteth not shall be cast out.
29 If thou lovest me thou shalt serve me and keep all my commandments.

In section 22 we see that the old covenant is done away with and any who attempt to follow the old covenant it will ‘availeth him nothing’ but in section 42 it commands you to follow the old covenant. What am I missing here?

FB: I know it appears that I avoid posts, but really I look for those I post and for those who respond. Many I do not find. My computer is slow, my connection is slow, and time is short.

The old law is the law given to Moses. Although the higher laws of Christ superceeds the lower, the lower still exists for those who can not live the higher. Israel lived it from Moses until Jesus Christ. Jews live by this old law today. The old law was not lived by faith. It was lived by duty and tradition. This old law was a temporary law, and the works done within this law are dead works. Why? Because they can not bring anyone to perfection by following them. Christ brought the laws of perfection, and if a person perfectly obeys these laws, they will be living the same laws that Christ lived to be perfect.

Example, if one was to commit adultery, they would be stoned. This is according to the old law. The new law teaches that if one commits adultery in their heart, they have already done enough to condemen. The highe law brings us closer to controling our own thoughts. Think how wonderful if we had enough control to not hate anyone, or have any ill thoughts at all.

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[Tawhano]

fatboys said:
This old law was a temporary law, and the works done within this law are dead works.

So why does the D&C bring it back?

 

[fatboys]

So why does the D&C bring it back?

FB: REad through them again. Notice that the only one that demands punishment by death is murder. In the old law Adultery was punished by death, the new law means you are cast out and are denied the blessings that comes by living by these laws. These higher laws ask that if a person does not repent, they will be cast out. See the difference?