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You do know there are no extra points for using Hebrew in an English-speaking forum, yes? Especially not when referencing texts written in Aramaic and Greek, You understand this, right?If the Ruach Ha'Kodesh is leading you; you will not stray from the law.
ALL Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
God's law is in the mind of every humans... Romans 7:25No it wasn't dear friend your post was claiming I was taking scripture out of context and making claims I never said (strawman). This was proven false by showing context showing that through the law is the knowledge of what sin is. Of course God's law is in force today if there was no law there would be no knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTREOUSNESS as shown in the new covenant scriptures *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 8:1-4. etc etc.
Let's follow your interpretation of the scriptures through...
1. If there is no Law we have no knowledge of what sin is.
2. If we have no knowledge of what sin is then we do not know we are sinners in need of a Saviour
3. If we have no need of a Saviour we have no salvation because we are still in our sins and lost.
The scripture is then fulfilled "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law" ROMANS 2:12.
Can you see where your interpretation of the scriptures is leading you dear friend? This is why JESUS said to the Scribes and Pharisees "They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick but go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." MATTHEW 9:12-13
How are you going to know your sick if you have no mirror? God's LAW is the mirror that leads us to the great Physician and leads us to the cross so we might be forgiven through faith *GALATIANS 3:22-25 and faith does not abolish God's law it establishes it *ROMANS 3:31.
Hope this helps.
Christianity has long understood the reciprocal nature of sin:Some how there were scales on my eyes when I read past this little gem for all these years.
(CLV) Mt 5:48
You, then, shall be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.
It's like a missing bookend.
(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.
\You do know you don't get any points for using Hebrew in an English-speaking forum, yes? Especially not when referencing texts written in Aramaic and Greek, You understand this, right?
Yes, but the Law of Moses was written. So was Tanakh. Who and what is Paul referencing in Romans 10:13-14?Before the written Word of God there was the spoken Word of God....
Which is exactly and identical to part of what I posted. You just quoted me doing so.Actually dear friend all lawlessness is sin (Compare 1 JOHN 3:4 with other parrallel translations).
You are not addressing the other very relevant content of that post. You are therefore not furthering the conversation. That's not very friendly.Lawlessness means without law (disobedience to God's law). The bible definition of sin is breaking anyone of God's 10 Commandments *JAMES 2:10-11 and not believing God's Word *ROMANS 14:23. So yes dear friend if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we commit sin. This is shown by PAUL also in ROMANS 7:7.
Why would the Most High renege on His agreements? Why would the Most High make law "unfit" for man?
Actually the scriptures your providing do not say or support the idea anywhere that I can see that a knowledge of God's LAW is not required to understand what sin is. PAUL makes it very clear in...Great argument but two points are worth making.
First, the third premise in the "syllogism" should read, "3. If we have no knowledge of needing a Savior we have no salvation..."
Second, the same guy who declared he would not know sin were it not for the law also wrote,
Romans 2:12-16
"12For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus."
So the written law is not necessary to know you've sinned. God's law is written on the human heart. Creation itself is moral and there are consequences for sin both temporally and eternally. Just a few sentences earlier Paul had written all men.
"suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." (Rom. 1:18-20). That part about "since the creation" would be before any written ever word existed.
Hello LGW, why do we need to know sin if like sin is our master? Christ is what we need to know and everything that is Not of that knowledge is sin...The law only show us our sins...well we do not need to know sin because we already infected by it But we need to know our Savior so we can know how to get saved...
Because God never wanted the law, the people did.
Because God never wanted the law, the people did.
Which is exactly and identical to part of what I posted. You just quoted me doing so.
You are not addressing the other very relevant content of that post. You are therefore not furthering the conversation. That's not very friendly.
Law-breaking is not the only measure of sin. Thinking law-breaking is the only means of sin leads to an incomplete understanding of sin. An incomplete understanding of sin, in turn, leads to an incomplete understanding of both human condition and need and the work of Christ.
What law? The law that requires faith or the law that requires work?
Your kind of all over the place here dear friend my answer to your question with the scriptures provided was in reference to your claims about Abraham as you wrote..Yes, but the Law of Moses was written. So was Tanakh. Who and what is Paul referencing in Romans 10:13-14?
Which was replied with.. Before the written Word of God there was the spoken Word of God *GENESIS 3:1-3; 9; 11-19 8:15; 9:8; 24:7; 31:11 etc). God's people were saved in exactly the same way that we are today although the process is different of course (no more sin offerings that pointed to JESUS) and that is by faith *see HEBREWS 11 as it is written ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE AND KEPT MY CHARGE, MAY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES AND MY LAWS. *GENESIS 26:5Josheb said: ↑ How then was Abraham saved? The gospel was preached to him and he was justified by faith and made righteous but he had no written word.
This is not really controversial Christian theology, but the theology of Christ and His apostles. I'm placing it here in this forum because of the threads that MAY bring those who belong to Christ back under bondage to the Law, if those who belong to Christ are not wide awake to them.
Hello LGW, yes Jesus is the living Word of God. So let us hear him from his own breath..love one another... that's all because the one who love knows God and God lives in them. Simple...even an ordinary man can understand it and follow it.JESUS is the living Word of God dead pasifika. We know JESUS as we seek him through his Word and we as believe and follow it. If we have no law according to the scriptures we have no knowledge of what sin is as it is written in ROMANS 2:12, For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law and through the law is the knowledge of sin *ROMANS 3:20. God's LAW leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith and free to walk in God's Spirit *ROMANS 8:1-4; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12. This is all summed up in 1 JOHN 5:3-4 and MATTHEW 22:36-40.
Hope this is helpful.
Yep. It's likely the epistolary was also in reference, but you're correct: Paul is speaking of the OT.When this was written the NT wasn't even cannon. It was speaking of the TaNaK.
No, you use the words of adulterous and idolatrous covenant-breakers.Maybe you don't realize that I'm not looking for points from men. I don't use Pagan words to describe that which is kadosh.
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