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<blockquote data-quote="Gxg (G²)" data-source="post: 66142310" data-attributes="member: 238335"><p>IMHO, there's a pulling the cart before the horse mindset - assuming (because force was used to stop something) that it was the only thing that could have been done.</p><p></p><p>That error simplifies several historical factors on the matter without actually dealing in the facts of where other Jihaddist Muslims (just as it was with others who were Soviet Communists or Nazis) often came down due to economical errors largely and NOT just force. That's a basic reality numerous economosts have noted over the decades. </p><p></p><p>With Nazi Germany, people often forget where it was America that originally funded the Nazi War machine to become what it was - and the mirage of "Force and War took them out!!!" is illusionary seeing how much of the war was really staged at multiple points. We cannot avoid simple facts in history when it comes to how often we have economically supported and funded the enemies we create - and then made the illusion of us having saved the world through military power/might... </p><p></p><p></p><p>There was an excellent book on the issue that came to mind <a href="http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/harry-targ-untold-history-of-united.html" target="_blank">by Oliver Stone/Peter Kuznick </a>entitled <em>The Untold History of the United States</em></p><p> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=0WwIjdg47PoC&pg=PR22&dq=The+Untold+History+of+the+United+States:+Spanish+war&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GOleUcasM4G09QSdkYGoBA&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAQ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #1122cc">The Untold History of the United States - Page xxii</span></a></li> </ul> <p style="text-align: center"><em><a href="http://incunabula.org/2013/01/oliver-stones-untold-history-of-the-united-states-facts-through-a-new-lens/" target="_blank"><img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EKVTGwajUpo/UOz5elsIbYI/AAAAAAAAXT8/id8ZbDnLSKw/s1600/untold%2Bhistory.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></em></p><p></p><p></p><p>On where the U.S economically created and harmed Hitler, one can go to <a href="http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/banking-with-hitler/" target="_blank">Banking With Hitler - Watch Free Documentary Online</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YauM5dHLn1s" target="_blank">Banking with hitler - YouTube</a></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqU-5gL25XQ" target="_blank">Zeitgeist: The Movie (HD) Part III - Men Behind the Curtain - YouTube</a></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsYOrrgTDyE" target="_blank">Untold History: Early US Imperialism, Hitler, Roosevelt, The Spanish Civil War - YouTube</a></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXxYW_PA94M#t=2790" target="_blank">DVD6 A BBC4 Storyville Why We Fight - YouTube</a></p><p></p><p>Much of this goes right back to the dynamic present with how the U.S has often gotten involved in situations which it helped to create directly - making it and its actions seem like it was the solution when it was nowhere near the case. This is a part of the dynamic of militarism and expansionism in various ways - Neo Imperialism. The <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/t7700124-9/#post61721246" target="_blank">Spanish-American War immediately comes to mind since that's where it began to take off</a>...and what happened in the Philippines also comes to mind. Places for study on the matter would be <a href="http://www.williamlkatz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/01-Race-and-Imperialism_-Brecht-Forum-1_MP3-128K_MP3-128K_001.mp3" target="_blank">"Race and Imperialism: Iraq Now and the Philippines Then" ( )</a>, where William L. Katz presents the occupation of Iraq from the perspective of the 1898 US invasion of the Philippines and the murderous colonial rule that lasted for 12 years. .</p><p></p><p>Other dynamics on the matter can also be seen in what occurred with <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/t7696727/#post61625949" target="_blank">r as noted elsewhere</a>the Haitian Revolution that allowed for the first successful slave revolt on a national scal<a href="http://www.christianforums.com/t7831858-20/#post66001274" target="_blank">e, we saw more of the same when the U.S later intervened there to "protect" the nation from itself (even though it also kept it behind intentionally)</a>.</p><p></p><p>Ultimately, what matters is the power of the GOSPEL - and whether or not we believe it as Jesus said. Not what my opinion is - or what yours is. But what Christ did and what he advocated. Period.</p><p></p><p>If one doesn't believe Christ is capable of converting others EN Masse by force when He is preached, one misses what Christ actually said. We already have what happened with many missionaries within Communist Russia - some of the most notable being people such as <a href="http://www.catalystresources.org/e-stanley-jones/" target="_blank">E. Stanley Jones</a>. And we have many testimonies and examples in history where such has occurred. With the rise of Radical Islam, it cannot be ig igniredmany have noted that it tends to rise in areas where there's high impoverishment of communities/neglect and others who were turned off by what has been represented in Western Christianity. </p><p> </p><p>As noted best elsewhere, "<a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:hca9wsyo_fIJ:www.ijfm.org/PDFs_IJFM/11_2_PDFs/06_Jabbour.pdf+Nabeel+Jabbour:+Radical+muslims+poverty&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShNE4txDRYLoDpBts4lsYm2UUdQVOyJ29XBNGNU_CGnzjG1x3m7T9FPnIk2UHNtzxQVpwR4h2eHimGAh6KjL-3D1NrgYMLlPTea5AXPBYBTusbPG4Dr-rri_359_lLHm4nWNvhY&sig=AHIEtbQu2gVQrbnm4qDGsB9jCuz72xRuXw" target="_blank">In Egypt, the Fundamentalists are recruited mostly from active youth in their twenties and thirties. They are university students and graduates who tend to be conscientious and ambitious. Furthermore, most of these recruits spent their childhood in villages and little</a></p><p><a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:hca9wsyo_fIJ:www.ijfm.org/PDFs_IJFM/11_2_PDFs/06_Jabbour.pdf+Nabeel+Jabbour:+Radical+muslims+poverty&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShNE4txDRYLoDpBts4lsYm2UUdQVOyJ29XBNGNU_CGnzjG1x3m7T9FPnIk2UHNtzxQVpwR4h2eHimGAh6KjL-3D1NrgYMLlPTea5AXPBYBTusbPG4Dr-rri_359_lLHm4nWNvhY&sig=AHIEtbQu2gVQrbnm4qDGsB9jCuz72xRuXw" target="_blank">towns. Ahmad agrees that Fundamen- talism in Egypt is most appealing to these groups</a>." Amazingly, <a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:4thkRU6EFYgJ:www.rachelwilloughby.com/files/Egypt_-_State_Instability.doc+Nabeel+Jabbour:+Radical+muslims+poverty&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgjXSgYVJH-VmOh3xFljcjouZn0F3yx_YUF-7IYGVORc5l-Re8oGS-CwXoRyqm6zkdykM8qVVpKj38J-X6qw5LsDB_Coxcz3xSNewH8yu27lZongCqiUA1b-ko19L-KANTA0-fJ&sig=AHIEtbQm34fmWQnMAOors9SHJgl8gxl-8A" target="_blank">many who went into Extreme Radical Islam came from backgrounds where they were either struggling with socioeconomic realities that were left unaddressed and thus the promise of spiritual blessings for giving their lives became appealing....or others were exchange students who saw A LOT of the ways that Western Culture/Western Christianity (very akin to the Crusades in their view) came in/demonized all in their world. /URL].</a></p><p> <a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:4thkRU6EFYgJ:www.rachelwilloughby.com/files/Egypt_-_State_Instability.doc+Nabeel+Jabbour:+Radical+muslims+poverty&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgjXSgYVJH-VmOh3xFljcjouZn0F3yx_YUF-7IYGVORc5l-Re8oGS-CwXoRyqm6zkdykM8qVVpKj38J-X6qw5LsDB_Coxcz3xSNewH8yu27lZongCqiUA1b-ko19L-KANTA0-fJ&sig=AHIEtbQm34fmWQnMAOors9SHJgl8gxl-8A" target="_blank"></a></p><p><a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:4thkRU6EFYgJ:www.rachelwilloughby.com/files/Egypt_-_State_Instability.doc+Nabeel+Jabbour:+Radical+muslims+poverty&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgjXSgYVJH-VmOh3xFljcjouZn0F3yx_YUF-7IYGVORc5l-Re8oGS-CwXoRyqm6zkdykM8qVVpKj38J-X6qw5LsDB_Coxcz3xSNewH8yu27lZongCqiUA1b-ko19L-KANTA0-fJ&sig=AHIEtbQm34fmWQnMAOors9SHJgl8gxl-8A" target="_blank">For more, one can investigate[URL="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:8MxjvKg13R4J:www.strategicnetwork.org/pdf/kb8338.pdf+Waging+Peace+on+Islam:+Christine+Mallouhi+radical&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiRvT9_Rh2w22OAlcc0G43ayZdoX3x7T256fi70DMGShaUdXTR3d9N2vGTzqBcJVgZL2n_JAwH6f2BpACWh2t52es5Jhm0A69aViAcSs22Ag3z8sjw0q9DViNOCi1krvR6HPIFo&sig=AHIEtbR-OwYSaEh4iS9McmIzpf5rBVm6Vg"] A Christian Perspective on Islam and Terrorism </a>by Rick Love, PhD (the International Director of Frontiers ).</p><p></p><p>The bottom line is that many are coming up in massive ways from Radical Islam not by force - just as it was in other places</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p> And as said before, I never said force did not have its place. As I noted plainly in the same post:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is what it is...</p><p></p><p>That's the line that has been touted multiple times with the U.S news feeds when it comes to spreading the falsehood that we did not create Al Qaeda - for what has happened with the ISIS is a matter of evolution since the U.S created them since they were able to break off from Al Queda/use our weapons. </p><p></p><p>The situation of mass exodus/immigration that has arisen for the Iraqi Christians /Muslim minorities suffering severe persecution by others after U.S intervention in the area ...their being denied entry into the U.S is similar to what happened to other groups enduring the same, <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/t7706740-post63662926/?highlight=Hmong+CIA#post63662926" target="_blank">like the Hmong who were abandoned by the U.S after what happened with governments waging wars by proxy in Laos </a>and the U.S lost, abandoning those they called to their side to others...and th<a href="http://www.christianforums.com/t7736475-8/#post62795573" target="_blank">en having it where those groups were not acknowledged by the U.S when they sought refuge</a>. </p><p></p><p>Battles by proxy have led to so much damage (more shared in <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-new-war-in-iraq-us-occupation-shifts-to-proxy-subversion/31017" target="_blank">The New War in Iraq: US Occupation Shifts to Proxy Subversion | Global Research</a> and others:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-nato-proxy-war-in-iraq-and-syria-us-financing-and-training-of-moderate-isis-rebels-in-syria/5389053" target="_blank">US-NATO Proxy War in Iraq and Syria: US Financing and Training of Moderate ISIS Rebels in Syria | Global Research</a></li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/06/12/iraq_mosul_isis_sunni_shiite_divide_iran_saudi_arabia_syria" target="_blank">The Battle for Iraq Is a Saudi War on Iran</a></li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/06/15/arming-isis-in-syria-then-bombing-them-in-iraq/" target="_blank">Arming ISIS in Syria ⦠Then Bombing Them in Iraq? « Antiwar.com Blog</a></li> </ul><p></p><p>For Christians everywhere, there are a lot of battles - but it is financially beneficial to tear down Christian communities in support of Radical Islam - and that is something the U.S actually gains a lot from. Artificial war. They did a good synopsis on the matter here - as seen in <a href="http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/nineveh-is-fallen/" target="_blank">Nineveh is Fallen | Orthodox England</a>. Essentially, as noted there, everything with the "enemies" the West went after in Iraq was designed by the West. And in toppling them over to bring "democracy", democracy is now being demolished by the same people who were funded by the West. It's sad to see how many don't consider their situation and where they are significant in history (more <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/t7749448-2/#post64262694" target="_blank">shared here </a>and in <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/t7767059-6/#post63974038" target="_blank">Cairo death poll passes 500</a>). It's a vicious cycle...</p><p></p><p>Again, facts are facts and we have to deal with them as they are ..</p><p> Indeed.</p><p></p><p>Advocating militarism is one of those ideologies which Christ never supported as a part of His message at any point - and the same goes for not acknowleding where the Gospel alone can save and has changed others...His Message and what He advocated, from the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-39 to loving your enemies by blessing them according to Luke 6</p><p></p><p></p><p>We're not of this world and militarism has never been what Jesus has been for. </p><p>Christians have already had numerous instances of being St. Francis of Assisi to the GROUP - that is what often gets ignored when it comes to avoiding group efforts and organizations doing extensive work in the Muslim world and seeing Christ transform people entirely. </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Crusades.html" target="_blank">Salidin </a>was not oblivious to this nor were others and we cannot avoid history on the matter</p><p></p><p>Anti- Semitism was never completely broken - I've been to Germany and have had family live there and there are PLENTY of Skin Head groups who are present...and others who do not like Jewish people. It'd be ignorant to claim otherwise - <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hiding-in-plain-sight-germanys-neonazis-ditch-skinhead-look-2307001.html" target="_blank">Neo Nazis</a> are alive and well. It became less and was punished more after WWII - but it never died or came anywhere close. Messianic Jews and other Jews have noted this repeatedly and thus we cannot have our heads in the sand on the matter.</p><p></p><p>And as it concerns Hitler and Prussian Militarism, as <a href="http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/reference/frequently-asked-questions-faq/war" target="_blank">another noted best</a>:</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 15px"> [INDENT<span style="color: Blue">Hitler crushed Prussian militarism forever. It was no historical accident that it was the truly Prussian element of the German officer corps who staged several attempts on Hitler's life. Hitler, indeed, established (albeit in a perverted way) civilian control over the military.</span></p><p>[/INDENT]</span></span></p><p></p><p>It cannot be ignored when it comes to remembering that many representatives of the old Prussian tradition were staunchly against the Nazis, and even sought to overthrow them. Specifically, among the Kreisau circle were Helmuth James Graf von Moltke and Peter Yorck von Wartenburg, both descendents of prominent Prussian generals. Even the Prussians in the army despised him, as Gerd von Rundstedt derided Hitler as "the Bohemian Corporal" - but the problem with Prussian military tradition in World War II was not that they were militaristic... for they simply allowed themselves to be ruled over by a madman ...and thus, to even see Hitler as a direct continuation of that tradition is stretching the matter past the limits of history. </p><p></p><p>More can be read in <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=jV1N-gOauroC&pg=PA179&dq=Prussian+militarism+and+Hitler&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IyHnU7uGOJeAygSQ14GYBQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Prussian%20militarism%20and%20Hitler&f=false" target="_blank">Hitler and America - Klaus P. Fischer - Google Books</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gxg (G²), post: 66142310, member: 238335"] IMHO, there's a pulling the cart before the horse mindset - assuming (because force was used to stop something) that it was the only thing that could have been done. That error simplifies several historical factors on the matter without actually dealing in the facts of where other Jihaddist Muslims (just as it was with others who were Soviet Communists or Nazis) often came down due to economical errors largely and NOT just force. That's a basic reality numerous economosts have noted over the decades. With Nazi Germany, people often forget where it was America that originally funded the Nazi War machine to become what it was - and the mirage of "Force and War took them out!!!" is illusionary seeing how much of the war was really staged at multiple points. We cannot avoid simple facts in history when it comes to how often we have economically supported and funded the enemies we create - and then made the illusion of us having saved the world through military power/might... There was an excellent book on the issue that came to mind [URL="http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2013/01/harry-targ-untold-history-of-united.html"]by Oliver Stone/Peter Kuznick [/URL]entitled [I]The Untold History of the United States[/I] [LIST] [*][URL="http://books.google.com/books?id=0WwIjdg47PoC&pg=PR22&dq=The+Untold+History+of+the+United+States:+Spanish+war&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GOleUcasM4G09QSdkYGoBA&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAQ"][COLOR=#1122cc]The Untold History of the United States - Page xxii[/COLOR][/URL] [/LIST][CENTER][I][URL="http://incunabula.org/2013/01/oliver-stones-untold-history-of-the-united-states-facts-through-a-new-lens/"][IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EKVTGwajUpo/UOz5elsIbYI/AAAAAAAAXT8/id8ZbDnLSKw/s1600/untold%2Bhistory.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/I][/CENTER] On where the U.S economically created and harmed Hitler, one can go to [url=http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/banking-with-hitler/]Banking With Hitler - Watch Free Documentary Online[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YauM5dHLn1s]Banking with hitler - YouTube[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqU-5gL25XQ]Zeitgeist: The Movie (HD) Part III - Men Behind the Curtain - YouTube[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsYOrrgTDyE]Untold History: Early US Imperialism, Hitler, Roosevelt, The Spanish Civil War - YouTube[/url] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXxYW_PA94M#t=2790]DVD6 A BBC4 Storyville Why We Fight - YouTube[/url] Much of this goes right back to the dynamic present with how the U.S has often gotten involved in situations which it helped to create directly - making it and its actions seem like it was the solution when it was nowhere near the case. This is a part of the dynamic of militarism and expansionism in various ways - Neo Imperialism. The [URL="http://www.christianforums.com/t7700124-9/#post61721246"]Spanish-American War immediately comes to mind since that's where it began to take off[/URL]...and what happened in the Philippines also comes to mind. Places for study on the matter would be [URL="http://www.williamlkatz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/01-Race-and-Imperialism_-Brecht-Forum-1_MP3-128K_MP3-128K_001.mp3"]"Race and Imperialism: Iraq Now and the Philippines Then" ( )[/URL], where William L. Katz presents the occupation of Iraq from the perspective of the 1898 US invasion of the Philippines and the murderous colonial rule that lasted for 12 years. . Other dynamics on the matter can also be seen in what occurred with [URL="http://www.christianforums.com/t7696727/#post61625949"]r as noted elsewhere[/URL]the Haitian Revolution that allowed for the first successful slave revolt on a national scal[URL="http://www.christianforums.com/t7831858-20/#post66001274"]e, we saw more of the same when the U.S later intervened there to "protect" the nation from itself (even though it also kept it behind intentionally)[/URL]. Ultimately, what matters is the power of the GOSPEL - and whether or not we believe it as Jesus said. Not what my opinion is - or what yours is. But what Christ did and what he advocated. Period. If one doesn't believe Christ is capable of converting others EN Masse by force when He is preached, one misses what Christ actually said. We already have what happened with many missionaries within Communist Russia - some of the most notable being people such as [URL="http://www.catalystresources.org/e-stanley-jones/"]E. Stanley Jones[/URL]. And we have many testimonies and examples in history where such has occurred. With the rise of Radical Islam, it cannot be ig igniredmany have noted that it tends to rise in areas where there's high impoverishment of communities/neglect and others who were turned off by what has been represented in Western Christianity. As noted best elsewhere, "[URL="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:hca9wsyo_fIJ:www.ijfm.org/PDFs_IJFM/11_2_PDFs/06_Jabbour.pdf+Nabeel+Jabbour:+Radical+muslims+poverty&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShNE4txDRYLoDpBts4lsYm2UUdQVOyJ29XBNGNU_CGnzjG1x3m7T9FPnIk2UHNtzxQVpwR4h2eHimGAh6KjL-3D1NrgYMLlPTea5AXPBYBTusbPG4Dr-rri_359_lLHm4nWNvhY&sig=AHIEtbQu2gVQrbnm4qDGsB9jCuz72xRuXw"]In Egypt, the Fundamentalists are recruited mostly from active youth in their twenties and thirties. They are university students and graduates who tend to be conscientious and ambitious. Furthermore, most of these recruits spent their childhood in villages and little towns. Ahmad agrees that Fundamen- talism in Egypt is most appealing to these groups[/URL]." Amazingly, [URL="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:4thkRU6EFYgJ:www.rachelwilloughby.com/files/Egypt_-_State_Instability.doc+Nabeel+Jabbour:+Radical+muslims+poverty&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgjXSgYVJH-VmOh3xFljcjouZn0F3yx_YUF-7IYGVORc5l-Re8oGS-CwXoRyqm6zkdykM8qVVpKj38J-X6qw5LsDB_Coxcz3xSNewH8yu27lZongCqiUA1b-ko19L-KANTA0-fJ&sig=AHIEtbQm34fmWQnMAOors9SHJgl8gxl-8A"]many who went into Extreme Radical Islam came from backgrounds where they were either struggling with socioeconomic realities that were left unaddressed and thus the promise of spiritual blessings for giving their lives became appealing....or others were exchange students who saw A LOT of the ways that Western Culture/Western Christianity (very akin to the Crusades in their view) came in/demonized all in their world. /URL]. For more, one can investigate[URL="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:8MxjvKg13R4J:www.strategicnetwork.org/pdf/kb8338.pdf+Waging+Peace+on+Islam:+Christine+Mallouhi+radical&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiRvT9_Rh2w22OAlcc0G43ayZdoX3x7T256fi70DMGShaUdXTR3d9N2vGTzqBcJVgZL2n_JAwH6f2BpACWh2t52es5Jhm0A69aViAcSs22Ag3z8sjw0q9DViNOCi1krvR6HPIFo&sig=AHIEtbR-OwYSaEh4iS9McmIzpf5rBVm6Vg"] A Christian Perspective on Islam and Terrorism [/URL]by Rick Love, PhD (the International Director of Frontiers ). The bottom line is that many are coming up in massive ways from Radical Islam not by force - just as it was in other places And as said before, I never said force did not have its place. As I noted plainly in the same post: [INDENT] [/INDENT] It is what it is... That's the line that has been touted multiple times with the U.S news feeds when it comes to spreading the falsehood that we did not create Al Qaeda - for what has happened with the ISIS is a matter of evolution since the U.S created them since they were able to break off from Al Queda/use our weapons. The situation of mass exodus/immigration that has arisen for the Iraqi Christians /Muslim minorities suffering severe persecution by others after U.S intervention in the area ...their being denied entry into the U.S is similar to what happened to other groups enduring the same, [URL="http://www.christianforums.com/t7706740-post63662926/?highlight=Hmong+CIA#post63662926"]like the Hmong who were abandoned by the U.S after what happened with governments waging wars by proxy in Laos [/URL]and the U.S lost, abandoning those they called to their side to others...and th[URL="http://www.christianforums.com/t7736475-8/#post62795573"]en having it where those groups were not acknowledged by the U.S when they sought refuge[/URL]. Battles by proxy have led to so much damage (more shared in [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-new-war-in-iraq-us-occupation-shifts-to-proxy-subversion/31017]The New War in Iraq: US Occupation Shifts to Proxy Subversion | Global Research[/url] and others: [LIST] [*][url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-nato-proxy-war-in-iraq-and-syria-us-financing-and-training-of-moderate-isis-rebels-in-syria/5389053]US-NATO Proxy War in Iraq and Syria: US Financing and Training of Moderate ISIS Rebels in Syria | Global Research[/url] [/LIST] [LIST] [*][url=http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/06/12/iraq_mosul_isis_sunni_shiite_divide_iran_saudi_arabia_syria]The Battle for Iraq Is a Saudi War on Iran[/url] [/LIST] [LIST] [*][url=http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/06/15/arming-isis-in-syria-then-bombing-them-in-iraq/]Arming ISIS in Syria ⦠Then Bombing Them in Iraq? « Antiwar.com Blog[/url] [/LIST] For Christians everywhere, there are a lot of battles - but it is financially beneficial to tear down Christian communities in support of Radical Islam - and that is something the U.S actually gains a lot from. Artificial war. They did a good synopsis on the matter here - as seen in [url=http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/nineveh-is-fallen/]Nineveh is Fallen | Orthodox England[/url]. Essentially, as noted there, everything with the "enemies" the West went after in Iraq was designed by the West. And in toppling them over to bring "democracy", democracy is now being demolished by the same people who were funded by the West. It's sad to see how many don't consider their situation and where they are significant in history (more [URL="http://www.christianforums.com/t7749448-2/#post64262694"]shared here [/URL]and in [URL="http://www.christianforums.com/t7767059-6/#post63974038"]Cairo death poll passes 500[/URL]). It's a vicious cycle... Again, facts are facts and we have to deal with them as they are .. Indeed. Advocating militarism is one of those ideologies which Christ never supported as a part of His message at any point - and the same goes for not acknowleding where the Gospel alone can save and has changed others...His Message and what He advocated, from the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-39 to loving your enemies by blessing them according to Luke 6 We're not of this world and militarism has never been what Jesus has been for. Christians have already had numerous instances of being St. Francis of Assisi to the GROUP - that is what often gets ignored when it comes to avoiding group efforts and organizations doing extensive work in the Muslim world and seeing Christ transform people entirely. [URL="http://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Crusades.html"]Salidin [/URL]was not oblivious to this nor were others and we cannot avoid history on the matter Anti- Semitism was never completely broken - I've been to Germany and have had family live there and there are PLENTY of Skin Head groups who are present...and others who do not like Jewish people. It'd be ignorant to claim otherwise - [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hiding-in-plain-sight-germanys-neonazis-ditch-skinhead-look-2307001.html"]Neo Nazis[/URL] are alive and well. It became less and was punished more after WWII - but it never died or came anywhere close. Messianic Jews and other Jews have noted this repeatedly and thus we cannot have our heads in the sand on the matter. And as it concerns Hitler and Prussian Militarism, as [URL="http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/reference/frequently-asked-questions-faq/war"]another noted best[/URL]: [FONT="Book Antiqua"][SIZE="4"] [INDENT] [INDENT[COLOR="Blue"]Hitler crushed Prussian militarism forever. It was no historical accident that it was the truly Prussian element of the German officer corps who staged several attempts on Hitler's life. Hitler, indeed, established (albeit in a perverted way) civilian control over the military.[/COLOR][/INDENT][/INDENT][/SIZE][/FONT] It cannot be ignored when it comes to remembering that many representatives of the old Prussian tradition were staunchly against the Nazis, and even sought to overthrow them. Specifically, among the Kreisau circle were Helmuth James Graf von Moltke and Peter Yorck von Wartenburg, both descendents of prominent Prussian generals. Even the Prussians in the army despised him, as Gerd von Rundstedt derided Hitler as "the Bohemian Corporal" - but the problem with Prussian military tradition in World War II was not that they were militaristic... for they simply allowed themselves to be ruled over by a madman ...and thus, to even see Hitler as a direct continuation of that tradition is stretching the matter past the limits of history. More can be read in [url=http://books.google.com/books?id=jV1N-gOauroC&pg=PA179&dq=Prussian+militarism+and+Hitler&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IyHnU7uGOJeAygSQ14GYBQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Prussian%20militarism%20and%20Hitler&f=false]Hitler and America - Klaus P. Fischer - Google Books[/url] [/QUOTE]
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