The KJVO myth...

BNR32FAN · Nov 12, 2021

Bob_1000 said:
Of course I decided on my own. I made my decision by looking for evidence of divine inspiration. You've decided on your own using your methods. Are your methods better than mine? You're using MAN'S dictionary to understand words from a language that you don't speak nor understand.

How is this any different than when you learned to read English? Did you receive the gift of English like the apostles did on Pentecost or did you have to learn it like the rest of us?

Bible Highlighter · Nov 12, 2021

myst33 said:
Jesus did not write anything.

That’s not true.

“And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.” (John 8:8).

trophy33 · Nov 12, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
That’s not true.

“And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.” (John 8:8).

The context is "of the Bible".

Bible Highlighter · Nov 12, 2021

I look at like this. Does God want us to spend our whole lives trying to piece together what He said with us looking at the best manuscripts? Or does God want us to spend our whole lives in getting busy with living for Him? This tells me that there is a perfect Word out there that we can hold in our hands today that we can be accountable to (Without guessing all the time on what the Word says). Also, Jesus said beware of the scribes, too. Think about the word “scribe.” It’s how we get the word “transcribe” (i.e. tran-scribe). The scribes are those who transcribed the Law or the Scriptures. The scholar of our day is the scribe because they transcribe the Scripture. Yet… Jesus is telling me not to trust these people implicitly and yet that is what many Christians today do. Why? Because it is easier to distort or pull the wool over people’s eyes on what the Word of God says (because nobody speaks Biblcial Hebrew and Biblical Greek in a living culture like back in the day). They are dead languages. We have to trust God preserved His Word for us today. If this is not the case, then God failed to provide the faith for us. I cannot decide what words are true or not true. I am not in the seat of God to be able to determine what is true or false in His Word. That would be called cherry picking the Bible. It’s either all true, or all false and people have to decide that. Not even all manuscripts are the same. So you have to go on a hunt or quest that could be your whole life time trying to figure out what God actually said. But I would rather live for God and simply trust His Word by faith (i.e. the King James Bible, circa. 1900 Cambridge Edition). I can do a fruits test and determine which Word is the pure Word for today (or closest to the purest Word He wants me to trust). But it is not up to me to say that there are errors in the Bible. Only Modern Translations have obvious errors in them. God glorifies His Word above His name. God is perfect, and so I would expect His Word to be perfect, too. But folks do not like being under a final Word of authority. It makes them squirm.

Bible Highlighter · Nov 12, 2021

myst33 said:
The context is "of the Bible".

Jesus is one with the Holy Trinity. We worship one God and not three separate gods even though each person of the Godhead exists are distinct persons. But when we say they are distinct persons, we are not saying that they are separate in the sense that they are three gods.

Jesus abides in the Father, and vise verse. I imagine it is the same with the Spirit because they are one God, and not three. So seeing this is the case, the Holy Spirit who inspired men to write the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16-17) is in 100% agreement and thinking aligned with Jesus Christ. For Jesus abided by the Holy Spirit. So we can say with confidence that Jesus is not outside the authorship of Scripture because all Scripture was written by the one true God (ultimately) (i.e. the triune God).

trophy33 · Nov 12, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
Or does God want us to spend our whole lives in getting busy with living for Him? This tells me that there is a perfect Word out there that we can hold in our hands

There is no causality between these two. You can live for Him without 99% of the Bible.

And the vast majority of Christians in history did not have any Bible in their hands. Just basic knowledge from a priest.

Bob_1000 · Nov 12, 2021

I'm not going to discuss bible matters with a person who doesn't know that the Word of God wrote the bible. That's like Christianity 101.

Bob_1000 · Nov 12, 2021

myst33 said:
There is no causality between these two. You can live for Him without 99% of the Bible.

And the vast majority of Christians in history did not have any Bible in their hands. Just basic knowledge from a priest.

Really??? the bible comes in many different forms. Here it is before anything was written down. God NEVER leaves his people without the word of the Lord.

Gen_15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

trophy33 · Nov 12, 2021

Bob_1000 said:
I'm not going to discuss bible matters with a person who doesn't know that the Word of God wrote the bible. That's like Christianity 101.

When you are talking about Christianity 101... try to read the names of the books in your Bible, for the start.

trophy33 · Nov 12, 2021

Bob_1000 said:
Really??? the bible comes in many different forms. Here it is before anything was written down. God NEVER leaves his people without the word of the Lord.

Gen_15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

You grant yourself a very free license to use words in any way you like.

Bible Highlighter · Nov 12, 2021

myst33 said:
The context is "of the Bible".

Jesus is called the Word of God. In fact, there is a….

Symbiotic Relationship Between
The Living Word, & the Communicated Word:

Christ is good (John 10:11, John 10:14), and the word is good (1 Kings 2:42).
Christ is the truth (John 14:6), and the word is the truth (John 17:17).
Christ is called Faithful and True (Revelation 19:11), and the word is called faithful and true (Revelation 22:6).
Christ is pure (1 John 3:3), and the word is pure (Proverbs 30:5).
Christ is incorruptible (Acts of the Apostles 2:27), and the word is incorruptible (1 Peter 1:23).
Christ abides forever (John 12:34), and the word abides forever (1 Peter 1:23).
Christ’s name: “Jesus” is above all names (Which would include God’s name) (Philippians 2:9-10), and the word is above God’s name (Psalms 138:2).
Christ has flaming eyes of fire (Revelation 19:12), and the Word is like a fire (Jeremiah 23:29).
Christ can burn things like a fire (Matthew 3:12), and the word can burn things like a fire (Luke 24:32).
Christ can be eaten (John 6:57), and the word can be eaten (Jeremiah 15:16).
Christ is like the discovery of treasure (Matthew 13:44-46, cf. 2 Corinthians 4:7-10), and the word is like the discovery of treasure (Psalms 119:162).
Christ is the light (John 8:12), and the word is light (Psalms 119:105).
Christ is life (John 14:6, 1 John 5:12), and the word is life (John 6:63).
Christ is the living bread (John 6:51), and the word is the living bread (Matthew 4:4).
Christ is eternal life (Romans 6:23, 1 Timothy 6:16, 1 John 5:20) and the word is eternal life (John 6:68) (cf. Matthew 24:35, John 6:63).
Christ quickens (makes alive) (John 5:21), and the word quickens (makes alive) (Psalms 119:50).
It is by Christ which makes the gospel possible (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), and it is by the word which makes the gospel possible (1 Peter 1:25).
Christ is near to men (Acts of the Apostles 17:27) (Revelation 3:20) (Psalms 145:18), and the word is near to men (Romans 10:8).
Christ discerns the heart (Matthew 9:4, Luke 9:47), and the word discerns the heart (Hebrews 4:12).
Christ can get men through a storm (Mark 4:35-41), and the word can get men through a storm (Matthew 7:24-25).
Christ sanctifies (John 17:19), and the word sanctifies (John 17:17).
A person can stumble over Christ (Romans 9:33, 1 Peter 2:5-8), and a person can stumble over the word (1 Peter 2:8).
Christ will judge men (John 5:22), and the word will judge men (John 12:48).
Christ’s bones were never broken (John 19:36 cf. Psalms 34:20), and the word is never broken (John 10:35).
Believers are told to seek after Christ (Matthew 28:5, Mark 16:6), and believers are told to seek after the word (Isaiah 34:16).
Christ is our hope (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Colossians 1:27, 1 Timothy 1:1), and the word is our hope (Psalms 130:5).
Believers are to have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16), and believers are to meditate (use their mind) upon the word (Psalms 119:148, 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV).
Christ is to be heard and obeyed (Matthew 7:24), and the word is to be heard and obeyed (James 1:22).
The love of God is within Christ (Romans 8:39), and keeping the word places the love of God within us (1 John 2:5) (Also see John 14:23).
Christ is the way to the living waters, which is the Holy Spirit (John 7:37-39), and the washing of the water of the word (Ephesians 5:25-27) (which is obedience to God) is the way to having the Spirit (Acts of the Apostles 5:32).
Christ is like the foundation that is a part of a house (1 Corinthians 3:9, 1 Corinthians 3:11), and He is like a rock (1 Corinthians 10:4), and the obeying the word is like a house built upon the rock (Matthew 7:24).
Believers are to follow after the steps of Christ (1 Peter 2:21), and believers are to order their steps in the word (Psalms 119:133).
Christ breathed the Spirit upon his faithful chosen (John 20:22), and the word is “inspired by God” (i.e. God breathed) for the benefit of his faithful chosen (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Christ is the way to having the fruits of righteousness (Philippians 1:11), and the word is the way to being instructed in righteousness so to be perfect unto all good works (fruits) (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Christ can abide in us (John 15:4-7) (Ephesians 3:17) (Philippians 4:13), and the word can abide in us (John 15:7, Psalms 119:11).
Christ dwells in our hearts (Ephesians 3:17), and the word dwells in our hearts (Colossians 3:16).
Believers can be hidden in Christ (Colossians 3:3), and the word can be hidden in believers (Psalms 119:11).
Christ is always with us (Matthew 28:20), and the word is always with us (Psalms 119:98).
Christ can make our joy full (John 15:11), and the word can make our joy full (1 John 1:4).
Believers’ hearts rejoice with Christ (John 16:22), and believers’ hearts rejoice with the word (Jeremiah 15:16).

..41. Christ is called a seed (Galatians 3:16), and the word is called a seed (1 Peter 1:23, Luke 8:11) (Note: See my post below here for further details).

The communicated word of God that we have today is the Bible.

“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” (Isaiah 55:11).

Jesus (the Living Word) was sent by the commandment (mouth) of the Father. Jesus said and did everything the Father told Him to do (John 12:49) (John 14:31).

What is interesting is that the Living Word accomplished that which the Father commanded Him to do and to prosper (accomplish) that thing He sent to do (i.e. Jesus suffered on the cross, and said, “It is finished” and died for man’s sins). Jesus was risen three days later, and ascended to the Father. God’s Word (the living Word) did not return void by whom the Father sent.

The communicated Word can also be sent out and not return void, as well. For many have believed and have stayed faithful to what God’s Word says.

In the creation: The Word made flesh (John 1:1, John 1:14) (i.e. Christ) created everything. In the beginning God spoke words to bring forth the creation in six days (Genesis 1:1-31).

So in the beginning was the Living Word, and the communicated Word.

In the end of this sinful world: Christ will return (Revelation 19:11-21) and a sharp sword will proceed from His mouth. This sword could be the “sword of the Spirit,” (Which is the Word of God) or it could be symbolic of such (Ephesians 6:17).

So in the end there will be the Living Word, and the communicated Word.

For at Christ’s return: His name is called The “Word of God.” (Revelation 19:13) (Living Word).

On His thigh, and vesture is a name written (words) “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” (Communicated Word).

Jesus was beaten to a pulp and crucified on a tree.

The Word we have today (the Bible) is a result of pulp made from a tree.

Jesus was the Word made flesh (covered in skin).

The Word we have today (the Bible) is popular to be available covered in skin (leather).

Words on the page hang on this tree (paper) (the Bible),
just like the Living Word hung on a tree (the cross).

Bob_1000 · Nov 12, 2021

myst33 said:
You grant yourself a very free licence to use words in any way you like.

Who do you think the word of the Lord is?

trophy33 · Nov 12, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
Jesus is called the Word of God. In fact, there is a….

Symbiotic Relationship Between
The Living Word, & the Communicated Word:

Christ is good (John 10:11, John 10:14), and the word is good (1 Kings 2:42).

Christ is the truth (John 14:6), and the word is the truth (John 17:17).

Christ is called Faithful and True (Revelation 19:11), and the word is called faithful and true (Revelation 22:6).

Christ is pure (1 John 3:3), and the word is pure (Proverbs 30:5).

Christ is incorruptible (Acts of the Apostles 2:27), and the word is incorruptible (1 Peter 1:23).

Christ abides forever (John 12:34), and the word abides forever (1 Peter 1:23).

Christ’s name: “Jesus” is above all names (Which would include God’s name) (Philippians 2:9-10), and the word is above God’s name (Psalms 138:2).

Christ has flaming eyes of fire (Revelation 19:12), and the Word is like a fire (Jeremiah 23:29).

Christ can burn things like a fire (Matthew 3:12), and the word can burn things like a fire (Luke 24:32).

Christ can be eaten (John 6:57), and the word can be eaten (Jeremiah 15:16).

Christ is like the discovery of treasure (Matthew 13:44-46, cf. 2 Corinthians 4:7-10), and the word is like the discovery of treasure (Psalms 119:162).

Christ is the light (John 8:12), and the word is light (Psalms 119:105).

Christ is life (John 14:6, 1 John 5:12), and the word is life (John 6:63).

Christ is the living bread (John 6:51), and the word is the living bread (Matthew 4:4).

Christ is eternal life (Romans 6:23, 1 Timothy 6:16, 1 John 5:20) and the word is eternal life (John 6:68) (cf. Matthew 24:35, John 6:63).

Christ quickens (makes alive) (John 5:21), and the word quickens (makes alive) (Psalms 119:50).

It is by Christ which makes the gospel possible (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), and it is by the word which makes the gospel possible (1 Peter 1:25).

Christ is near to men (Acts of the Apostles 17:27) (Revelation 3:20) (Psalms 145:18), and the word is near to men (Romans 10:8).

Christ discerns the heart (Matthew 9:4, Luke 9:47), and the word discerns the heart (Hebrews 4:12).

Christ can get men through a storm (Mark 4:35-41), and the word can get men through a storm (Matthew 7:24-25).

Christ sanctifies (John 17:19), and the word sanctifies (John 17:17).

A person can stumble over Christ (Romans 9:33, 1 Peter 2:5-8), and a person can stumble over the word (1 Peter 2:8).

Christ will judge men (John 5:22), and the word will judge men (John 12:48).

Christ’s bones were never broken (John 19:36 cf. Psalms 34:20), and the word is never broken (John 10:35).

Believers are told to seek after Christ (Matthew 28:5, Mark 16:6), and believers are told to seek after the word (Isaiah 34:16).

Christ is our hope (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Colossians 1:27, 1 Timothy 1:1), and the word is our hope (Psalms 130:5).

Believers are to have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16), and believers are to meditate (use their mind) upon the word (Psalms 119:148, 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV).

Christ is to be heard and obeyed (Matthew 7:24), and the word is to be heard and obeyed (James 1:22).

The love of God is within Christ (Romans 8:39), and keeping the word places the love of God within us (1 John 2:5) (Also see John 14:23).

Christ is the way to the living waters, which is the Holy Spirit (John 7:37-39), and the washing of the water of the word (Ephesians 5:25-27) (which is obedience to God) is the way to having the Spirit (Acts of the Apostles 5:32).

Christ is like the foundation that is a part of a house (1 Corinthians 3:9, 1 Corinthians 3:11), and He is like a rock (1 Corinthians 10:4), and the obeying the word is like a house built upon the rock (Matthew 7:24).

Believers are to follow after the steps of Christ (1 Peter 2:21), and believers are to order their steps in the word (Psalms 119:133).

Christ breathed the Spirit upon his faithful chosen (John 20:22), and the word is “inspired by God” (i.e. God breathed) for the benefit of his faithful chosen (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Christ is the way to having the fruits of righteousness (Philippians 1:11), and the word is the way to being instructed in righteousness so to be perfect unto all good works (fruits) (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Christ can abide in us (John 15:4-7) (Ephesians 3:17) (Philippians 4:13), and the word can abide in us (John 15:7, Psalms 119:11).

Christ dwells in our hearts (Ephesians 3:17), and the word dwells in our hearts (Colossians 3:16).

Believers can be hidden in Christ (Colossians 3:3), and the word can be hidden in believers (Psalms 119:11).

Christ is always with us (Matthew 28:20), and the word is always with us (Psalms 119:98).

Christ can make our joy full (John 15:11), and the word can make our joy full (1 John 1:4).

Believers’ hearts rejoice with Christ (John 16:22), and believers’ hearts rejoice with the word (Jeremiah 15:16).

..41. Christ is called a seed (Galatians 3:16), and the word is called a seed (1 Peter 1:23, Luke 8:11) (Note: See my post below here for further details).

The communicated word of God that we have today is the Bible.

“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” (Isaiah 55:11).

Jesus (the Living Word) was sent by the commandment (mouth) of the Father. Jesus said and did everything the Father told Him to do (John 12:49) (John 14:31).

What is interesting is that the Living Word accomplished that which the Father commanded Him to do and to prosper (accomplish) that thing He sent to do (i.e. Jesus suffered on the cross, and said, “It is finished” and died for man’s sins). Jesus was risen three days later, and ascended to the Father. God’s Word (the living Word) did not return void by whom the Father sent.

The communicated Word can also be sent out and not return void, as well. For many have believed and have stayed faithful to what God’s Word says.

In the creation: The Word made flesh (John 1:1, John 1:14) (i.e. Christ) created everything. In the beginning God spoke words to bring forth the creation in six days (Genesis 1:1-31).

So in the beginning was the Living Word, and the communicated Word.

In the end of this sinful world: Christ will return (Revelation 19:11-21) and a sharp sword will proceed from His mouth. This sword could be the “sword of the Spirit,” (Which is the Word of God) or it could be symbolic of such (Ephesians 6:17).

So in the end there will be the Living Word, and the communicated Word.

For at Christ’s return: His name is called The “Word of God.” (Revelation 19:13) (Living Word).

On His thigh, and vesture is a name written (words) “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” (Communicated Word).

Jesus was beaten to a pulp and crucified on a tree.

The Word we have today (the Bible) is a result of pulp made from a tree.

Jesus was the Word made flesh (covered in skin).

The Word we have today (the Bible) is popular to be available covered in skin (leather).

Words on the page hang on this tree (paper) (the Bible),
just like the Living Word hung on a tree (the cross).

Irrelevant to the topic of who wrote the Bible.

trophy33 · Nov 12, 2021

Bob_1000 said:
Who do you think the word of the Lord is?

Wrong question.

The right question is "what was the word of the Lord?".

The word of the Lord was: "Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your very great reward."

Bob_1000 · Nov 12, 2021

myst33 said:
Wrong question.

The right question is "what was the word of the Lord?".

The word of the Lord was: "Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your very great reward."

Ok then WHAT spoke those words to Abram?

trophy33 · Nov 12, 2021

Bob_1000 said:
Ok then WHAT spoke those words to Abram?

Its not said. The only thing that is said about it is "how it came to Abram" - in a vision.

Bible Highlighter · Nov 12, 2021

myst33 said:
There is no causality between these two. You can live for Him without 99% of the Bible.

That’s not true, friend. All Scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness so that the man of God may be perfect unto ALL good works (Please see 2 Timothy 3:16-17). In fact, there are 400 some commands in the New Testament. Your fail to understand is that there are actual commands that are changed in the Modern Translations (that is not for the better).

Check out this CF thread to learn more about it.

30 reasons why the King James Bible is the divine and pure Word of God for today

You said:
And the vast majority of Christians in history did not have any Bible in their hands. Just basic knowledge from a priest.

Yes, this is not news for me, and it does not change the truth that God did not preserve His Word perfectly for us today. For to whom much is given, much is required.

Bible Highlighter · Nov 12, 2021

myst33 said:
Its not said. The only thing that is said about it is "how it came to Abram" - in a vision.

So God’s words do not exist if they are in a vision?
I sure hope that is not what you are saying.
For we have a book called “Revelation” in our Bible.

trophy33 · Nov 12, 2021

Bible Highlighter said:
That’s not true, friend. All Scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness so that the man of God may be perfect unto ALL good works (Please see 2 Timothy 3:16-17). In fact, there are 400 some commands in the New Testament. Your fail to understand is that there are actual commands that are changed in the Modern Translations (that is not for the better).

Many things are profitable, few are necessary.

Bible Highlighter said:
Yes, this is not news for me, and it does not change the truth that God did not preserve His Word perfectly for us today. For to whom much is given, much is required.

What "much" exactly is required from you other than to live a good Christian life?

Bible Highlighter · Nov 12, 2021

myst33 said:
Irrelevant to the topic of who wrote the Bible.

No it isn’t because it shows that the Spirit (by Scripture) is pointing us to how there is a connection between the Communicated Word (Bible) with the Living Word (Jesus).

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