The KJVO Myth Has NO Scriptural support!

[ralfyman]

The NRSV preface given here refers to manuscripts discovered after the RSV was published:

Preface to the New Revised Standard Version

 

[nolidad]

Laodicea was an ancient city in the Roman province of Asia, and the Christian community located in ancient Laodicea was one of the target audiences of St. John's Apocalypse. The seven churches were just that, seven churches, seven communities of Christians located in the province of Asia to whom John wrote his Apocalypse while exiled on Patmos.

I know that it's popular in some modern circles to treat the seven churches as epochs or "ages"; but there is literally no exegetical justification for doing so.

In other words, there's no such thing as an "age of Laodicea".

Well being in one of those "modern circles" as you call them, and having studied wschatology and teaching it at the college level and institute level, I would strongly disagree.

Yes they were 7 letters to seven specific churches in Asia minor.

Yes they also represent 7 different attitudes or spiritual conditions of believers (a word study of the meaning of the names is fascinating)

And yes it also represents 7 "epochs of the church age based on the name of the church,and the admonitions or commendations to those churches.

If anyone is interested I will gladly write out how that works out and how it isvery very biblical in describing the church, which is the mystery form of the kingdom and described through the parables before explicitly by Paul!

 

[nolidad]

The NRSV preface given here refers to manuscripts discovered after the RSV was published:

Preface to the New Revised Standard Version

Well The RSV is a faulty translation and the NRSV- in using the RSV as its foundation builds on its faults.

The newer the manuscript- the more it is likely to contain errors.

 

[nolidad]

This is an absolute and total falsehood. This is not what Textual Criticism does.

Not when the schools of Higher Criticism came out in th elate 1800's in Europe! It was very true! This movement in Europe birthed the great apostasy in Christendom we see today in so many circles!

And the "Jesus Seminar" was based on textual criticism and did away with close to 80% of the Words of Christ as Jesus not saying them! Do you really think that men over 1900 years removed from the person of Jesus and we only having the Scriptures to know the Words of Christ accurately can really do that honestly????? God forbid!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There's simply NO Scriptural support for the KJVO myth. Therefore, it CANNOT be true.

Who says it is true ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes they were 7 letters to seven specific churches in Asia minor.

Scholars sometimes think so.

Others believe the letters were to who Yahuweh's Word says they were/are to.

 

[nolidad]

As such arguing that formal equivalence is always superior to dynamic equivalence doesn't hold out. Note that my argument is not that dynamic equivalence is superior. My argument is that the aim of the translator needs to be a faithful communication, insofar as it is possible at all.

Actually teh best one can do is acquire greek and hebrew studies and search these out for themselves.

With all the free tools online anyone who wants to in depth studies has all the tools needed. I for one do not hold to dynamic equivalence- I have seen too much damage done by men using this method (with the exception of the amplified)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Actually teh best one can do is acquire greek and hebrew studies and search these out for themselves.

Actually there is a better way. Often referenced in Scripture (any language as far as I know).
Remember who revealed to Simon bar jona who the Christ was ?
Remember who generously gives wisdom when asked, even to unbelievers ?

 

[Dr. Jack]

This is an absolute and total falsehood. This is not what Textual Criticism does.

I provided documentation to show what Semler believed, and what his purpose was, and yet you deny it as factual. I think I may be looking at a case of cognitive dissonance.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This is an absolute and total falsehood. This is not what Textual Criticism does.

hmm.... even if it is a falsehood, others believe it. On the forum I rarely see anyone change their choice.

 

[Dr. Jack]

So we should accept the work of Erasmus uncritically because...?

When the first copies were made, was it done using a "critical" method, or by faith?

And we should dismiss textual criticism because...?


-CryptoLutheran

Textual Criticism that follows rules made by men who did not believe that all Scripture was inspired, nor authoritative; in my opinion is having the fox guarding the henhouse.

 

[ViaCrucis]

When the first copies were made, was it done using a "critical" method, or by faith?

Erasmus used critical methodology to produce the editions of his Greek New Testament.

Further, textual criticism and faith are not mutually exclusive.

Textual Criticism that follows rules made by men who did not believe that all Scripture was inspired, nor authoritative; in my opinion is having the fox guarding the henhouse.

I somehow suspect that you are putting the cart before the horse when you say these things.

Question: How ought someone engage questions concerning the Comma Johanneum?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[nolidad]

Scholars sometimes think so.

Others believe the letters were to who Yahuweh's Word says they were/are to.

The only problem with that line of thinking is that no letters were written to say Americans, so does almost all of the Bible not apply to Americans??? or do we learn from the letters Paul wrote to teh different cities.

But as to the 7 letters to the seven churches- the dating fits perfectly, the attitude or spiritual condition fit generally speaking to the time frame, and the names of the churches translated fits the time frames very very well.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The only problem with that line of thinking is that no letters were written to say Americans, so does almost all of the Bible not apply to Americans??? or do we learn from the letters Paul wrote to teh different cities.

But as to the 7 letters to the seven churches- the dating fits perfectly, the attitude or spiritual condition fit generally speaking to the time frame, and the names of the churches translated fits the time frames very very well.

There's no statement in Scripture that says any of the letters were written to Americans,
except when Yahuweh says all Scripture is profitable for reproof, discipline, correction .... that most Americans have already rejected anyway.

So there's no "problem with that line of thinking"..... I don't know where you got that from.

Also it seems you missed that the letters were not to churches. If people stick with Scripture instead of tradition and faulty translations, they do better.

 

[nolidad]

Actually there is a better way. Often referenced in Scripture (any language as far as I know).
Remember who revealed to Simon bar jona who the Christ was ?
Remember who generously gives wisdom when asked, even to unbelievers ?

That is doctrine and not translation.

And I support that only if one can perfectly know when He is being directed by the Holy spirit! Christe3ndom today is a mess- because of all that Holy spirit guidance which has led to divisions.

 

[nolidad]

Question: How ought someone engage questions concerning the Comma Johanneum?

Easy! while it is a true statement, it was not in any of teh earlier codexes or manuscripts prior to the 16 th Century.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That is doctrine and not translation.

What is doctrine ? I only posted questions about what specific verses in Scripture, in harmony with all of Scripture and all of God's Plan, say ....

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

And I support that only if one can perfectly know when He is being directed by the Holy spirit! Christe3ndom today is a mess- because of all that Holy spirit guidance which has led to divisions.

Nothing I posted needs your support.

Most guidance you speak of is not from Yahuweh Creator Sovereign Almighty.

 

[Dr. Jack]

Erasmus used critical methodology to produce the editions of his Greek New Testament.

Erasmus executed the three major elements of Textual Criticism (Eclecticism, Stemmatics, and Copy Text Editing); however, he did not execute those elements using rules that were only developed a century after his death.
Desideris Erasmus (28 October 1466 – 12 July 1536)
Johann Bengel (24 June 1687 – 2 November 1752)
Johann Griesbach (4 January 1745 – 24 March 1812)
Fenton John Anthony Hort (1828–1892)

Wouldn't it be impossible for him to use critical rules that were only developed AFTER his death?

I somehow suspect that you are putting the cart before the horse when you say these things.

Would you like to explain precisely how I am doing so?

Question: How ought someone engage questions concerning the Comma Johanneum?

-CryptoLutheran

By objectively considering all the evidence that either supports, or rejects the text. Is there objective evidence that supports the idea that the text in question; (in this case that text which is commonly referred to as the Comma Johanneum?)

 

[nolidad]

Nothing I posted needs your support.

Most guidance you speak of is not from Yahuweh Creator Sovereign Almighty.

Sounds like you have a pride problem to me!

God says there is safety in the multitude of counselors and that God gave us pastors and teachers to mature us! To say we only need go to God is a fools errand!