The Kingdoms Explained.

[Zool]

Hi all,
Please check this out:

"The Kingdom of God" vs the "Kingdom of Heaven":

Search for "Kingdoms explained" (no quotes) in Google and take the first link.

Comments welcome.

 

[mythbuster]

You may want to include a link so we can see your site. When I tried your search method I went nowhere.

The way I see it, the Kingdom of the Heavens is part of the overall Kingdom of God and includes the present age of grace and the comming millenial Kingdom.

 

[Serapha]

Hi there!





Here's the link I got... our friend doesn't have enough postings to be able to post links.


http://web.ebucksmail.com/marius/Kingdoms/



Zool, is that the right link?



~serapha~

 

[Serapha]

Whoa mule!

We have a real problem here....


From that link...

HE fashioned ALL for you and for me! Those lights are suns and around them there are Solar systems, planets in orbit, waiting to be inhabited by the Sons and the Daughters of the Living GOD!

Please note that this site tells us right up front to look up all the passages.... but then post "this" without any scriptural reference?

In further reading, there are so many discrepancies, there isn't time to address half of them... that site is "trash"... a creation of someone's mind without the inspiration of God's Word.


I recommend that we just stick with what the Bible teaches...

The gospeal of John, Mark, and luke use the phrase "kingdom of God" exclusively. They do not refer to the Kingdom of Heaven at all. Matthew uses the phrase, "kingdom of Heaven".

but it is the same kingdom.


~serapha~

 

[Zool]

That is the correct link yes.

If it does not go down with you, then you can just ignore it. I won't be offended by your critisicm because I know how many others it has given hope.

zool.

 

[mythbuster]

There is a better and much more fulfilling Future awaiting each Son and Daughter of GOD!

Your personality doesn't die at death. Your Soul and your Personality and also All your Knowledge lives on after death. Everything you do now, is part of your Future. All your experiences, your learning, your knowledge, your hopes and your dreams, you carry with you. This Planet is like a big school were you have to decide for yourself what you want to be in the Future life. What kind of "Adam or Eve" you will be! As a King or Ruler on your own world, how are you going to cope?

No offense but this is just like Mormonism, where you and your spouse go set up shop and be Father and Mother god somewhere in the the universe.

The gospel is not a destination but a person, God Himself (Rom 1:1) to whom christians have been reconciled. If you want to know what is going to happen in the future go to the end of the book. There you have the New Jerusalem, the bride and building of God.

My personality does not die at death, it died on the cross two thosand years ago and now we now live by a new life, (Gal 2:20), This is our boast, Christ crucified. And through His death, He released His divine life, now my life. Because we have His life we are His genuine sons, we are born again.

We can have access to the Father by the Spirit through the His Son. (Eph 2:18), to enjoy God. Our present and future is to enjoy and love God. Together we are His bride and His building for His eternal purpose. And the Old Testament type is Adam and Eve where Adam gains a bride that is just like he is. Out of Adams side Eve was formed, and out of the Lord's pierced side flowed blood and water. Blood for redemption and water as life producing His bride, the church.. For this we are being transformed into His image.

The fact that this site of yours has given hope to many means nothing. Lots of people have hope for various reasons, terrorists have hope that they will go to heaven and drink wine with 70 virgins.

nospellcheck

 

[thaiv]

Thats right mythbuster. You always have a good explanation.

 

[Zool]

>>No offense but this is just like Mormonism, where you and your spouse go set up shop and be Father and Mother god somewhere in the the universe.
<<

Why reject something which only ADDS to the wonder which is God? Nothing which is said makes any less of Who and What God is, in fact it ADDS to it. So why reject it just because the mind cannot fully comprehend it?
Our understanding of God(and His plan for us) is limited by what Our minds can take in. The vastness and the mysteries of the universe serves to remind us of our inability to comprehend how magnificent He really is.

It should therefore be a wonderful journey of discovery when we can allow our ideas to be challenged (called:"being open to the Holy Spirit") in order to recieve ever more glimpses of His never ending grace and beauty. That is why I rather embrace (or AT LEAST investigate!) any idea which can ONLY INCREASE my perception of His magnificence.

>>The gospel is not a destination but a person...There you have the New Jerusalem, the bride and building of God.<<

The Gospel STARTS with What God did for us on the cross, and then continues about what he wants to do for us in present AND future. That implies a physical destination of whatever form it will be. If you are satisfied to know that there will be a city, a bride and a building then that may be enough for you. The God I know and the vastness of His creation is way more interesting than that.

>> My personality does not die at death, it died on the cross two thosand years ago and now we now live by a new life<<

My God is not so small that he needs from me to forgo a personality. He made us with one and is BIG enough to allow us to be unique and live life to the fullest by having a personality. What happened on the cross was not losing our personality but the personality is FREED up(from bondage) and can emerge so we can become who we really are, and He meant us to be.(new wine in a new skin). If you think you lost your personality then maybe you have not discovered it yet.

>> For this we are being transformed into His image.<<

We are created in his Image. Inner Transformation happens through the lessons that we learn through experiences put on our paths. To know that we take this knowledge and wisdom with us should be an encouragement for what we are going through. Why would God allow Born-again christians to still suffer in differing degrees (to make us strong and to increase our faith), just so we all end up in the same place with the same destiny? (1 Cor. 3:8 and Rev. 22:12:"... my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. "

>>Our present and future is to enjoy and love God. <<

Our Love and enjoyment of God STARTS(and is proven) by obeying his commandments. But that is only the start of it. Bear in mind that WE NEED to worship Him far more than He needs us to worship Him. He also wants us to be creative, now and in the future. It is for instance interesting for Him to see us make choices(as co-creators) and enjoy the outcomes with us.

>>...waiting to be inhabited by the Sons and the Daughters of the Living GOD!<<

Serapha, Your reference is John 14:2: "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. "

Zool.

 

[mythbuster]

... If you are satisfied to know that there will be a city, a bride and a building then that may be enough for you The God I know and the vastness of His creation is way more interesting than that.

That is no physical city, bride, and building, Zool, but the profound signified totality and consummation of God's eternal purpose. These signs are deep, mysterious, and marvelous and we should all be very interested in them. The Bible is the complete Divine Revelation, with a beginning and an end, and this is how the Bible ends. There is no need to add anything to it. There is no further revelation, it is complete.

In the meantime here is our new occupation:

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come! And let him who is thirsty come: let him who wills take the water of life freely. Rev 22:17

For my people have commited two evils: They have forsaken Me; the fountain of living waters, to hew out for themselves cisterns, broken cisterns which hold no water. Jer 2:13

peace.

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

This is definately false, something made up by a human. Not only does it put the Creator in terms of His creation, but it puts our eternal destiny into something less than what was promised.

 

[Zool]

Not only does it put the Creator in terms of His creation,

What is that supposed to mean? Does it mean that the Creator is less than what he is because of his creation?

it puts our eternal destiny into something less than what was promised.

I would love to know what you believe we have been promised?

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Putting the creator in terms of the creation is something like this:

A man draws a stick figure. The stick firgure then assumes the man must be two dimensional, stuck to a plane, seeing only certain acpects of the stick figure at once, etc. It is silly and sinful to do this to God.

As for our destiny, we are called to be more and more like Christ. God is a spirit, he has no physical form or anything that we can sense. It is only when he creates something to go to his creation can we see "Him." Ruling over worlds not only takes away a lot of this, but it also disregards scriptures that everything will be made new and that the universe itself is a creation, not meant to be eternal in its present form. It very much puts our destiny into what a single, foolish, man says, when in fact he knows nothing.