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shilohsfoal said:
I believe like Jesus. The meek inherit the earth.
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Does that include the meek Moslims?
Does that include the meek Buddhists?
Does that include the meek Hindus?
Does that include the meek Atheists?
Does that include the meed Agnostics?

WHAT do you suppose the CONTEXT is
of the "meek" who inherit the earth...
could it be the saved "wheat/sheep"?


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If you believed like Jesus yo would see the kingdom is here now. And the Pharisees were deceived.
 
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Douggg said:
Anyone who believes upon the Lord Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
There is only one Kingdom of Heaven. And only one way to enter.
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So you think the "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 22:2
represents Christians? Really?


Mat 22:2-7
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth
his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding:
and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants,
saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready:
come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went
their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully,
and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth:
and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers,
and burned up their city.


Mat 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be
TAKEN from you [the Jewish Kingdom], and GIVEN to a nation
bringing forth the fruits thereof. [the Christian Kingdom]


Mat 21:45
And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables,
they perceived that he spake of them.

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5thKingdom said:
Doug... I am STILL WAITING for you to put on your big boy pants
and tell me WHO is the subject of the "Kingdom of Heaven" in
Matthew 22:2 (the Jewish Kingdom) and WHO is the subject
of the "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 25:1.
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What do you mean who is the subject? It is not a who, but the Kingdom of Heaven.

The Kingdom of Heaven is the subject.

Those passages began two parables Jesus used to liken the Kingdom of Heaven to, to help in the understanding of it and how to enter. It is not two different Kingdoms of Heaven.
 
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Douggg said:
What do you mean who is the subject? It is not a who, but the Kingdom of Heaven.

The Kingdom of Heaven is the subject.

Those passages began two parables Jesus used to liken the Kingdom of Heaven to. It is not two different Kingdoms of Heaven.
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Seriously?
The term "Kingdom of Heaven" was directed at WHO
in Matthew 22:2 [the Jews]

The question (you want to avoid) is WHO is the CONTEXT
of Matthew 22:2

And Matthew 25:1

Intentionally ignoring the CONTEXT of the passage
(who is the subject of the passage) only guarantees
you cannot possibly understand the MEANING of that
passage.

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Douggg said:
The Kingdom of Heaven represents the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Are you aware that Jesus specifically NAMED
four separate and distinct "Kingdoms of Heaven"
on earth?

In Mat 22:2 Jesus specifically NAMED the Jewish
"Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 13 (in 8 verses) Jesus specifically NAMES
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 25:1 Jesus specifically NAMES the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"

Now, I realize this is NEW INFORMATION to most
but please TEST this by seeing who the CONTEXT
of each of these passages represents...
WHO is the subject of the passage?

In Matthew 22:2 it is the Jewish Kingdom
In Matthew 13 it is the Christian Kingdom
In Matthew 25:1-13 it's the Great Tribulation Kingdom

And, of course, Jesus specifically NAMES the
Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew chapters
5 and 7 and 8 and 19.

While the previous "Kingdoms of Heaven" were
(1) temporal
(2) contained BOTH saved and unsaved

The (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" is not temporal
and contains saints from EACH of the previous Kingdoms.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are included [Mat 8:11] when
they were NOT included in the Christian Kingdom or the
Great Tribulation Kingdom.

For those who have not studied this issue carefully
there is a tendency to think there is no difference
between the "Kingdoms of Heaven" and the
one (1) "Kingdom of God".

The difference is explained below.

--------------------------------------------------------
The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and every time the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one of the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth...
or it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".
-------------------------------------------------------------
The four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of
each, with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins"
living during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1]
---------------------------------------------------------
The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of
the "Kingdom of Heaven" since it only includes the saved
"wheat", not the unsaved "tares".
---------------------------------
Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.
-----------------------------------


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What are you talking about, I understand the two parables.

There is only one Kingdom of Heaven. The two parables don't make two Kingdoms of Heaven. Both parables had to do with weddings. And they had two different messages about the one Kingdom of Heaven.
 
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Douggg said:
What do you mean who is the subject? It is not a who, but the Kingdom of Heaven.
The Kingdom of Heaven is the subject.
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No... the term "Kingdom of Heaven"
applies to somebody... the question is WHO?


In Matthew 22:2 it applies to the Jewish Kingdom
In Matthew 25:1 it applies to the Great Tribulation Kingdom


No way around these truths buddy.
You have to INTENTIONALLY IGNORE these verses...
what kind of con/scam gospel intentionally ignores verses?


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No... you do not understand the parables/prophecies
because you do not understand WHO were the people
involve in the TWO GROUPS mentioned.

The wedding is the ETERNAL "Kingdom of Heaven"...
we both agree on that "Kingdom of Heaven". Now we are
talking about the Kingdoms mentioned in two verses

Matthew 22:2 = The Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"
Matthew 25:1 = The Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"

Why are you AFRAID of these two verses?
Is it because they immediately DESTROY your gospel?


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Douggg said:
Sounds like you are into some weird spinoff of dispensationalism.
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Are you saying that JESUS taught dispensationalism...
or are you saying He was a LIAR?
Which is it?


In Mat 22:2 Jesus specifically NAMED the Jewish
"Kingdom of Heaven".


In Mat 13 (in 8 verses) Jesus specifically NAMES
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".


In Mat 25:1 Jesus specifically NAMES the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"


Now, I realize this is NEW INFORMATION to most
but please TEST this by seeing who the CONTEXT
of each of these passages represents...
WHO is the subject of the passage?


In Matthew 22:2 it is the Jewish Kingdom
In Matthew 13 it is the Christian Kingdom
In Matthew 25:1-13 it's the Great Tribulation Kingdom


And, of course, Jesus specifically NAMES the
Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew chapters
5 and 7 and 8 and 19.


While the previous "Kingdoms of Heaven" were
(1) temporal
(2) contained BOTH saved and unsaved


The (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" is not temporal
and contains saints from EACH of the previous Kingdoms.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are included [Mat 8:11] when
they were NOT included in the Christian Kingdom or the
Great Tribulation Kingdom.


For those who have not studied this issue carefully
there is a tendency to think there is no difference
between the "Kingdoms of Heaven" and the
one (1) "Kingdom of God".


The difference is explained below.

--------------------------------------------------------

The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and every time the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one of the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth...
or it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".

-------------------------------------------------------------

The four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of
each, with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins"
living during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1]

---------------------------------------------------------

The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of
the "Kingdom of Heaven" since it only includes the saved
"wheat", not the unsaved "tares".

---------------------------------

Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.

-----------------------------------


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Then put all that stuff and the major events of the 7year 70th week on a timeline chart - make it work.

Jesus never mentioned "kingdoms of heaven" plural. He always referred to "the Kingdom of Heaven" singular.
 
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5thKingdom said:
Are you saying that JESUS taught dispensationalism...
or are you saying He was a LIAR?
Which is it?
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Obviously the answer is no to both questions.
5thKingdom said:
To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of
the "Kingdom of Heaven" since it only includes the saved
"wheat", not the unsaved "tares".
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The Kingdom of God is the Kingdom of Heaven brought down here to earth when Jesus returns. There are no subsets.

In the Lord's prayer.

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name;
thy kingdom come;
thy will be done;
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation;
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
the power and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.
 
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Douggg said:
Jesus never mentioned "kingdoms of heaven" plural. He always referred to "the Kingdom of Heaven" singular.
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Man are you dense.
I NEVER said Jesus spoke of plural kingdoms.
That is you building a STRAWMAN


I said that JESUS specifically NAMED four "Kingdoms of Heaven"

And I said you continue to INTENTIONALLY IGNORE
what people were included in the "Kingdom of Heaven"

JESUS specifically NAMED in Matthew 22:2 (the Jewish people)
JESUS specifically NAMED in Mat 25:1 (Great Tribulation people)

-------------

In Mat 22:2 Jesus specifically NAMED the Jewish
"Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 13 (in 8 verses) Jesus specifically NAMES
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 25:1 Jesus specifically NAMES the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"

Now, I realize this is NEW INFORMATION to most
but please TEST this by seeing who the CONTEXT
of each of these passages represents...
WHO is the subject of the passage?

In Matthew 22:2 it is the Jewish Kingdom
In Matthew 13 it is the Christian Kingdom
In Matthew 25:1-13 it's the Great Tribulation Kingdom

And, of course, Jesus specifically NAMES the
Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew chapters
5 and 7 and 8 and 19.

While the previous "Kingdoms of Heaven" were
(1) temporal
(2) contained BOTH saved and unsaved

The (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" is not temporal
and contains saints from EACH of the previous Kingdoms.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are included [Mat 8:11] when
they were NOT included in the Christian Kingdom or the
Great Tribulation Kingdom.


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Douggg said:
Obviously the answer is no to both questions.

The Kingdom of God is the Kingdom of Heaven brought down here to earth when Jesus returns. There are no subsets.
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LOL... there are no SUBSETS to you...
because you have never carefully studied the subject
and because you continue to REJECT and IGNORE Scriptures


For those who have not studied this issue carefully
there is a tendency to think there is no difference
between the "Kingdoms of Heaven" and the
one (1) "Kingdom of God".

The difference is explained below.

--------------------------------------------------------

The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and every time the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one of the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth...
or it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".
-------------------------------------------------------------

The four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of
each, with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins"
living during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1]
---------------------------------------------------------

The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of
the "Kingdom of Heaven" since it only includes the saved
"wheat", not the unsaved "tares".
---------------------------------

Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.

-----------------------------------

/
 
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Let me explain this to you again S-L-O-W-L-Y
so that you can comprehend.

We both AGREE there is an ETERNAL "Kingdom of Heaven".
So you can send passages about this ETERNAL Kingdom
all day long... and it DOES NOT ADDRESS the other Kingdoms
specifically NAMED by Jesus.

When JESUS specifically NAMES four "Kingdoms of Heaven"....
you prove NOTHING by sending passages about the
ETERNAL Kingdom (since we agree on that on)

Now you need to put your big boy pants on and TELL ME
WHO is the subject/context of the "Kingdom of Heaven"
that Jesus specifically NAMES in the verses below?

Can you do that?
Can you FOCUS on two verses of Scripture?
Can you not deflect to other verses

Matthew 22:2 "Kingdom of Heaven" = Jewish Kingdom
Matthew 25:1 "Kingdom of Heaven" = Great Tribulation Kingdom

Try to FOCUS on these TWO SCRIPTURES...
Can you do that?

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