The James Webb telescope has broken cosmology. Can it be fixed?

[Neogaia777]

@Bradskii

The universe on a supergalactic scale is kind of arranged like a hexagonal grid, kind of anyway, etc. And the growth/expansion is being caused by those very, very empty hexagonal centre's inside each hexagonal cell, pushing out on everything else, etc, (whatever constitutes the walls or nodes of each one of those hexagonal cells, etc), and anyway, with the former, each one of those is always only growing at the exact same rate as all of the others, always equally everywhere, while all the other stuff (anything having to do with normal matter, etc. us, etc) is being pushed out upon, or squeezed in upon, everthing around them/it, etc, and then those also have a natural gravitational pull toward each other as well, that has to be factored in, etc.

And this growth is never an unequal rate, but is always the exact same equal constant equally everywhere.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

@Bradskii

The universe on a supergalactic scale is kind of arranged like a hexagonal grid, kind of anyway, etc. And the growth/expansion is being caused by those very, very empty hexagonal centre's inside each hexagonal cell, pushing out on everything else, etc, (whatever constitutes the walls or nodes of each one of those hexagonal cells, etc), and anyway, with the former, each one of those is always only growing at the exact same rate as all of the others, always equally everywhere, while all the other stuff (anything having to do with normal matter, etc. us, etc) is being pushed out upon, or squeezed in upon, everthing around them/it, etc, and then those also have a natural gravitational pull toward each other as well, that has to be factored in, etc.

And this growth is never an unequal rate, but is always the exact same equal constant equally everywhere.

God Bless.

It is a postulation of mine that maybe the equal amount of expansion/growth inside each hexagonal cell, is or might be exactly 1x the speed of light equally in each one of those individual cells equally everywhere, since they are hundreds of millions to a billion or so light years across, etc, which makes the growth not all that fast at all really, etc. The other matter/material has that growth or force affecting it, and also it's own natural gravitational pull towards on another, or everthing like itself, etc, also happening around it, etc.

God Bless.

 

[sjastro]

Let’s reduce the universe to what mathematicians refer to as a toy universe in this case a one dimensional number line where the scale doubles per unit time as illustrated.

The numbers can be the position of galaxies on the number line and the origin O is where the observer is located.
The distance is the number of divisions between the observer and the galaxy.

Initially there are 1, 2 and 3 divisions between the observer and galaxies 1, 2 and 3 respectively.
After a unit time there are 2, 4 and 6 divisions between the observer and galaxies 1, 2 and 3 respectively.
The recession velocity for galaxy 1 relative to the observer at O is (2-1)/1 = 1 division per unit time, for galaxy 2 (4-2)/1 = 2 divisions per unit time and for galaxy 3 (6-3)/1 = 3 divisions per unit time.

Furthermore if divide the recession velocity for each galaxy by the number of divisions separating each galaxy from the observer after doubling the scale we find for galaxy 1 1/2 = 0.5, galaxy 2 2/4=0.5 and for galaxy 3 3/6 = 0.5.

What we find are the following observations:

(1) The recession velocity of each galaxy increases with increasing distance from the observer.
(2) The velocity is proportional to the distance.

Note during expansion the galaxies remain in the same position on the number line, it is the scale which is expanding.
As a result observers in galaxies 1, 2 and 3 will make the same observations as if they were located at the origin O, there is no true centre as any point along the number line can be the centre.

The principles also apply to our real universe where there is no true centre, distant galaxies are in fixed positions and it is the scale of the space between galaxies which is expanding.
Distant galaxies are being carried along by the expansion known as the Hubble flow and the proportionality constant is the Hubble constant Hₒ.

 

[Neogaia777]

The other matter/material has that growth or force affecting it, and also it's own natural gravitational pull towards on another, or everthing like itself, etc, also happening around it, etc.

God Bless.

I would like to know if all this other matter or material that is all being gravitationally drawn to or toward one another, is all being gravitationally drawn towards a single centre on those scales or not, etc?

God Bless.

 

[Bradskii]

@Bradskii

Everything at or near the centre is growing/moving/expanding at the very same rate as everything outside of it, or much further away from it, etc.

It changes the picture drastically, etc.

There is no centre of the universe. There is onlyba center of the observable universe. Which will depend on where you are when you observe it.

 

[Bradskii]

We if what we are seeing is wrong, etc?

Then everything is wrong. But we're going with what we can actually see and assume that when one observervation confirms another then we're looking good.

 

[Bradskii]

I would like to know if all this other matter or material that is all being gravitationally drawn to or toward one another, is all being gravitationally drawn towards a single centre on those scales or not, etc?

Where they are close enough to be affected by each other then they are drawn towards a single centre of mass.

 

[Neogaia777]

Where they are close enough to be affected by each other then they are drawn towards a single centre of mass.

Is that a way of saying we don't exactly know on that scale yet, etc?

 

[Bradskii]

Is that a way of saying we don't exactly know on that scale yet, etc?

This explains it: Does the influence of gravity extend out forever?

 

[Neogaia777]

This explains it: Does the influence of gravity extend out forever?

I might have to disagree with it maybe, spacetime is never absolutely level or flat ever, etc.

And for the scales that we are talking about here, and also with all of it being pushed together into walls and nodes on a grid, by another force, etc, even very weak gravity could affect something arranged like that, etc.

Spacetime is never truly level or flat right?

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

There is no centre of the universe. There is onlyba center of the observable universe. Which will depend on where you are when you observe it.

Take a 3-D (or not) hexagonal structure or 3-D grid a place it it front of you, etc. Then, add an equal amount of very small growth in each cell that always stays constantly equal, and all always stays the same, etc. Then try to look at different cells with that growth right now happening or going on in it? How would be the growth, and where would be the centre?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Take a 3-D (or not) hexagonal structure or 3-D grid a place it it front of you, etc. Then, add an equal amount of very small growth in each cell that always stays constantly equal, and all always stays the same, etc. Then try to look at different cells with that growth right now happening or going on in it? How would be the growth, and where would be the centre?

If all cells grow in equal proportion (for example 2% bigger), then there is no center of the growth.

 

[Neogaia777]

If all cells grow in equal proportion (for example 2% bigger), then there is no center of the growth.

Kinda strange to try and picture, especially when moving your look around to different places in it?

Imagine trying to take a ship or something through it, etc.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Kinda strange to try and picture, especially when moving your look around to different places in it?

Imagine trying to take a ship or something through it, etc.

Why not try by understanding post #23 first. The start of what you need to answer your question about the "center" of the Universe is found in that post.

 

[Neogaia777]

Why not try by understanding post #23 first. The start of what you need to answer your question about the "center" of the Universe is found in that post.

I don't claim to have understood all of it, but I did understand some of it, and I think we're both in complete agreement that there is no centre of or to the universe, etc.

I guess I just like the parabolic effect of imagining myself being in it, or moving through it, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

I don't claim to have understood all of it, but I did understand some of it, and I think we're both in complete agreement that there is no centre of or to the universe, etc.

I guess I just like the parabolic effect of imagining myself being in it, or moving through it, etc.

God Bless.

Maybe somekind of a ship could catch that parabolic effect and ride it like a wave, eh?

That was kind of a joke, etc. Kind of anyway etc.

I know, my sense of humor needs work, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

I have said this before, but the only way for the most absolute highest God to show himself to us, was to have others that would be able to do that, etc.

Which means there is a story told in time about Him, etc. After all, without story, then what really is anything really, etc?

However, and here's the rub, anything even remotely related to this, is, or that can even lead into ideas like this, etc, are considered very heretical and maybe even blasphemous by most religions, and most of the Christain churches, etc, or mainline denominations and sects of various religions, etc.

I think they don't want truly intimate relationship with God, etc.

And like to keep Him distant, etc.

God Bless.

 

[sjastro]

I don't claim to have understood all of it, but I did understand some of it, and I think we're both in complete agreement that there is no centre of or to the universe, etc.

I guess I just like the parabolic effect of imagining myself being in it, or moving through it, etc.

God Bless.

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Not only narcissistic but can't spell centre either.

 

[Neogaia777]

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Not only narcissistic but can't spell centre either.

I wasn't sure of the exact correct spelling of centre/center, I was using center before, but then saw another poster using centre, and so thought I might have been wrong, so I started using that spelling instead, and I didn't bother to check.

And about arrogance/narcissism, I think I have a pretty honest, level-headed view of myself, as I most certainly don't know everything, nor did or would I ever claim to.

I think you've most definitely got me beat in that area @sjastro, and I think one of the only reasons I was able to come to this kind of knowledge, with a lot less knowledge, etc, besides God, etc, was/is that I am being a whole heck of a lot more "truly objective" than the rest of you are, etc, and how can being a whole heck of a lot more objective be truly arrogant, since it comes from having a level view, or a level center, etc. True objectivity requires that you sacrifice a lot of pride, etc

God Bless.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Not only narcissistic but can't spell centre either.

They ain't French.