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The integrity of Moses & Jesus on the flood II

Calypsis4

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Here is yet more evidence for the world-wide destruction of the flood as mentioned by Moses in Genesis 7.



Fossils of humans found in abundance in the same location in Europe. The children were in the arms of the adults at death. Why would I suggest that they were instantly buried and quickly fossilized by the cataclysm of Noahs flood? Well, for one thing there appears to have been a whole village of people destroyed at the same time:





Secondly, these fossils are dated approx. 4,600 yrs ago which is close to the time of the Noahic flood. What is usual in the damage to the skeletons in broken bones and holes in the skulls was interpreted by evolutionists as evidence of murder. But these individuals were not only crushed at the same time, all the adults were looking in the same direction: south. It was as if they saw something coming they could not escape and huddled together to await certain death.

Here are more fossil of humans. This one from Turkey dated around 5,000 yrs old. Just how accurate such dates are is debatable.


(pictures from: Digging In The Dirt II)

I've been around long enough to remember evolutionists complaining to me, "Well, if there was such a great flood then why don't we find human fossils giving evidence of the fact?" I never hear that argument any more. It's not too hard to figure out why is it?

Why do I suggest that these individuals were instantly buried and fossilized because of the flood of Noah?

Here's why:



The above picture depicts a couple that died together instantly. We KNOW how they died; they were covered by hot ash during a volcanic eruption in Italy in the 1st century B.C. They are so much like the fossil remains above that there is little question that they all died a similar, very quick death. So when the 'fountains of the great deep broke up' as Moses told us occurred at the beginning of the cataclysm then it means that there were seismic eruptions all over the world at the same time and untold millions must have died in a similar fashion.

Then there is the Keroo fossil bed in South Africa, regarded by many as the richest fossil area in the world.



(From Science Frontiers #105, MAY-JUN 1996. 1997 William R. Corliss Footprints From the Past)

"Fossilised footprints are found on many Karoo farms, and on Gansfontein, near Fraserburg, there is an intriguing palaeosurface. It shows an ancient flood-plain surface with contour, mud, ripple and wrinkle marks, as well as worm trails, fish fin imprints and arthropod trails. There are also many large mammal-like reptile, Dinocephalian and Bradysaurus tracks."

So many of the fossils appearing to have been instantly crushed. They didn't lay around for millions of yrs only to become slowly fossilized.

And finally, one more time on the massive land movement that must have occurred in the past:


What happened to all the sediment/rock that was once as least as high as the plateaus seen in this picture? Local erosion is seen at the base of each plateau but what happened to all the rest? Only a massive movement of the earth the likes of which is suggested in Genesis 7:11-23 by Moses could explain so many millions of square miles of land that is now missing from such locations all over the world.
 
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Why no flood sediments? Every other natural disaster leaves some sort of trace.

Why aren't dinosaur bones in the same sediment layers as human ones?

BTW those human remains aren't fossils, they are bones. There is a difference. If you think there is not, I am curious what type of preservation method those human "fossils" were made from.

What sort of science do you believe in or trust?
 
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Best wishes.
 
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Clearly any number of other explanations such as being wiped out by invaders coming from the south, or being buried facing in the same direction, is unlikely. We must therefore default to the only remaining thing that makes sense: A massive deluge of water tumbling down from the mountains.

This is assuming, of course, that this anecdotal story you have here isn't half (or mostly) concocted from the imaginations of creationist sites based on a few pictures.
 
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I believe what Moses said about it because Jesus confirmed his account of the matter.

"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all." Luke 17:26-27.

Your position is a defiance of the words of God's Son.

 
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As was pointed out on another thread where Calypsis4 posted that leaf picture, it looks suspiciously like simple saw marks on a fossil of a leaf. This can be seen where the saw cuts into the leaf. Calypsis, do we have any analysis of the leaf item by a real geologist?

I remember Gish being caught using arguements again and again at new colleges after they had been shown to be wrong in previous setttings - it says something about integrity.

While there are many normal reasons why the skeletons in question are the way they are, one that is common in millenia old burials is ritual placement. Many burials appear to have been purposefully laid out, often with the bodies in a certain position or facing a certain direction for religious reasons. For instance, in some areas of Egypt, all the bodies are buried facing East, toward the rising sun.

In the case of the flood, wouldn't a massive wave change the direction they were facing anyway? And besides, does 40 days of rain sound like a massive wave? It sounds more like a process that takes days......., like, 40 of 'em.

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It is really hard to take all these petty objections seriously. No one commented on the fossil fish in the Alps, marine life in the Himalayas, or the oysters in the Andes. The comments that are made are lame.
 
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Mockery will get you nowhere with me, beautiful.

Oh, the painting itself is good. I'm just wondering where the giant mountain crocodile thing comes from. Also, your continued insistence that Jesus affirms the existence of a global flood is rather tiring. You're basing that statement on a quote from Jesus about his family tree. I will again point out the example of the Japanese Imperial Family, which got skipped over in the other thread for one reason or another.

Also, re: marine life in the alps. Continental plates move. Mountains form. This takes millions of years. Perfectly explained by existing theories of plate tectonics and geology. Also, since when are you adding volcanoes to the mix? There was a lot of water. Not volcanoes. This is the amazing characteristic of the YEC position: a constant insistence on a literal interpretation of the Bible and a rejection of all modern scientific evidence. Yet, they will go through great pains to retroactively fit this interpretation into reality using wild scientific hypotheses (not mentioned in scripture of course) and stretch the believability of those hypotheses as far as possible to make it all work.
 
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I want sources for all of these.
 
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Calypsis4 wrote:

So the account of Moses and affirmation of Jesus Christ means nothing to you?

Well, it seems to mean little to you, since you are apparently relying on physical evidence to defend your YEC claim instead of the bare testimony of Moses and Jesus. So which is your main point - the physical evidence or the testimony? Maybe they deserve separate threads? Judging from the title of this thread, it seems like the topic is the scriptural words, which we've discussed before (and I conceded the point). Is that correct?

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Not sure why you keep using this argument, I have already pointed out to you that in the very next two verses Jesus also used the destruction of Sodom to give the same warning.

Luke 17:28 Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot--they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building,
29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all.


Jesus used the very same phrase you highlighted as if it supported your idea of a global flood, "and destroyed them all." Yet Jesus used this very phrase to describe a localised catastrophe, the destruction of the cities of the plain. I have told you about this twice already, you clearly know what Jesus said, yet you accuse Dark_Lite of defiance of the word of God's son?

Nice picture, not part of the bible though, well not the original manuscripts anyway.
 
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I am going to tell you one more time, young person:

"And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered." vs 19

"And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man." vs 21.

Since you won't believe the plain spoken words of Moses nor the confirmation that Jesus gave of Moses words then it is no surprise that you so strongly resist what I am saying.

But your thinking amazes me! You actually think that Noah spent 120 yrs building an ark to save his family and all those animals when in fact all he needed do was to move his family out of the danger area? You think that God led all those animals to the ark to save them from a LOCAL flood when all He needed do was to lead them away from the flood area? Right.

Actually, it doesn't matter to you what the evidence clearly reveals. So it is with those who have an emotional commitment to error.


Oysters in the Andes of South America.

Water ripples in the mountains of Germany.

Marine fossils in the Himalyas.
 
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There is still more I can post on this subject. But as I told Assyrian, those who have an emotional commitment to error won't believe the evidence I post no matter how strong it is; because they don't believe the scriptures on the matter to begin with. The scriptures are not ambiguous or obscure in the matter and those who re-invent the account deliberately changing the meaning of what Moses said do so because they have been so influenced by evolutionist and/or long ago theories, not because they are compelled to believe that by the scriptures.


ripple marks in Dinosaur park, Colorado.

fossil fish in the Alps.

Fossil human village in Germany
 
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Plate tectonics.


A glacier perhaps? Or a local flood possibly.



Again, explained by plate tectonics.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

For those of you on this fellows side, inform him the name of any human being that ever saw a continent slide completely over another continent or that a very large area of land slid over another very large area to create mountains. Give him the name of the observer(s). Plate tectonics exists, yes, but no one has observed such continental and/or mass movements...except (guess who?)...Noah.
 
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