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Luke says that Steven was stoned to death by an angry mob. Does God say that Steven was stoned to death by an angry mob?
Example?Only if they do not have a fallible human being as a mediator to corrupt them.
What survived orally that is not written or confirmed with that which is written? A list would suffice.Because the Bible does not say so? Because Paul had letters that were lost? Because Paul talks about traditions both "oral and written"?
Especially when they are not in harmony with their own catechism.It's amazing the attacks we get from people for knowing that the Bible is Gods word.
What about it?The Liturgy?
Especially when they are not in harmony with their own catechism
Just one big ball of mess. This place is nothing but leaven and a place to bring the true hatred of people's heart without any accountability. I see on here time and time again nothing but attacks on others and specefic attacks especially when it comes to someone believing what God has said. According to most here, a person cannot
I don't agree with the premise of the poll, or your new definitions, so I opt to not participate in the poll so as to not be tricked into agreeing to something I don't actually believe.I've added a poll. I am alarmed that there are so few Christians who believe in the inspiration of Scripture. I am further alarmed that so few who say that the Bible is inspired are willing to say that the Bible is the very words of God. Anyways, if you could vote, that would better show how this all lays out.
Yup. Paul seems to think that you should get married only if you're so horny you can't stand it any more (my paraphrase). 1 Corinthians 7:9
What we have today are copies of copies that have passed through at least a language or two before getting to English. I can show you Hebrew words that are not translatable and thus not even in our English bibles. That doesn't mean we don't have enough to learn about and please our Father... it just means God inspired the authors to write when they did and we are looking at copies and translations after the fact.
Any translation or even particular copy is subject to error. Only the originals are infallible. But we have enough copies to have a near certainty as to what the original said, with some room for minor variations.
So yes. While there is some wiggle room on some issues - like is the number of the beast 666 or 616? - we have now what they wrote then. And what they wrote then is God's words to us.
Is it possible that there are errors in even the original text. I’m not even asking is likely. I’m asking is it possible?
@Ken Rank Could you point out an example where Scripture says something that God is not saying?
Example?
I don't agree with the premise of the poll, or your new definitions, so I opt to not participate in the poll so as to not be tricked into agreeing to something I don't actually believe.
"What the Bible says, God says" implies that when the bible quotes the devil, this also means the devil is God, so totally not into that.
Good to know. I will be posting an article reference the UMC in a few minutes. Truly would like your comments on the article.
Awesome message.For all on this thread. Those that are struggling with the idea that the bible is the living Word of God.. and that what it says is what God says..
And... to those that thoroughly understand this truth.. I want to tell you something.
After reading a bit of the argument and discussion on this thread, I came home and my father, who is 92 years old, was excited to tell me about a message that he heard on the TV about the symbols in the bible and how they tie the entire book together and prove that there is only one author of the bible.
Do you see the significance and coincidental notion of this occurance?
Anyway. I found the video of this message. It is posted below. I think both skeptics and believers can benefit from this message...
So, take 40 some odd minutes and listen to this guy... it's very interesting.
I actually had experience in some liberal Methodist churches when I was younger, so I can understand where alot of the fear of liberalism comes from. Some liberal Methodists just don't handle saying things that are potentially scandalous with any sense of sensitivity. I remember sitting through an Easter sermon in college about how maybe the resurrection didn't really happen, but that's OK "because..." (ironically, I heard a similar sermon about Jesus and the Loaves and the Fishes at my local Methodist church over a decade ago, in fact the Methodist church was my first choice when returning to churchgoing). I have no time for that sort of religion now days, and I'm glad I'm in a church where Pastor cares about everybody's faith, even those that believe in a literal six day creation.
God owns it...Jesus used Scripture against Satan during His temptation in the wilderness and rebuked Satan saying, "Man does not live by bread alone but by every word which proceeds from the mouth of God."And how can we measure whether each and every word in the Bible contains that and only that which God intended it to contain? By using the Bible to measure the Bible?
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