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Then He would have the cabbage nature instead of the human natureNow that that's settled, I think it naturally raises this question:
Why would the Son of God require a human mother at all, if he was not going to be born in the way that all other humans are born?
He could just as well have been found under a cabbage leaf or materialized somewhere and gone on from there with his mission.
Sure, why not join that religion???Now that that's settled, I think it naturally raises this question:
Why would the Son of God require a human mother at all, if he was not going to be born in the way that all other humans are born?
He could just as well have been found under a cabbage leaf or materialized somewhere and gone on from there with his mission.
Then He would have the cabbage nature instead of the human nature
He wasn't born as all others were born because others were born into the sin nature of the old adam. Christ was born as a new creation from the beginning. The Father still knit Him together in the womb, still wonderfully made, but even moreso.Not really. I said he could have been found in a cabbage patch, not that he would be a head of cabbage LOL.
If he wasn't born like all humans are born, why have a charade of natural childbirth at all? That still seems like a fair question.
No, that isn't the point. It is understood by all major branches of Christianity (I'd almost say "all Christian churches" except that there is always an exception to the rule somewhere or other whenever we are talking about religion) that Christ did not inherit sin and COULD NOT inherit sin. But that's because he was God.He wasn't born as all others were born because others were born into the sin nature of the old adam.
Since I'm not RCC I can't answer that for youNo, that isn't the point. It is understood by all major branches of Christianity (I'd almost say "all Christian churches" except that there is always an exception to the rule somewhere or other whenever we are talking about religion) that Christ did not inherit sin and COULD NOT inherit sin. But that's because he was God.
God cannot have sin. But that has nothing to do with the physical act of childbirth, and here it's being suggested (by the RCC) that he was not, in fact, born of a woman in the way that all the rest of us are--physically speaking, that is. Well, if not, then why go through the pretense of it? That's the question.
Christ was born as a new creation from the beginning.
No, no...that was after the resurrection. Dust off your Bible. Speculation is bad! Truth is good!
If I may chime in here...the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches...
817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:
Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271
818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272
819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276
The opinions if individual Catholics (Great Saints or not) are not binding upon the Church...hope that helps!!
No, no...that was after the resurrection.
I do not see any difference between what the CCC says and what St. Thomas says.
No, that isn't the point. It is understood by all major branches of Christianity (I'd almost say "all Christian churches" except that there is always an exception to the rule somewhere or other whenever we are talking about religion) that Christ did not inherit sin and COULD NOT inherit sin. But that's because he was God.
God cannot have sin. But that has nothing to do with the physical act of childbirth, and here it's being suggested (by the RCC) that he was not, in fact, born of a woman in the way that all the rest of us are--physically speaking, that is. Well, if not, then why go through the pretense of it? That's the question.
Now that that's settled, I think it naturally raises this question:
Why would the Son of God require a human mother at all, if he was not going to be born in the way that all other humans are born?
The divine essence was conceived
That sounds like RC and Mary in pain at the cross giving birth to Christ (see post above), rather than normally.
Deity already existed. What was conceived was...here, let me quote the Bible:
Heb 2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same (as the son of man), that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives. 16 For assuredly He does not give help to angels (sinless beings like Adam before the fall), but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham. 17 Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.
I did see a difference. The CCC clearly stated that those born into ecclesial communities which are not affiliated with the Catholic Church, and who have been baptized according to Christian baptism are to be considered as brothers in the faith.
Your quote, however, made it sound very clearly that those who do not believe the doctrines of the Catholic Church and, in fact, hold to doctrines which have been determined to be heretical are, in fact, heretics.
So, what I see here is, on one hand, the embrace of members of Protestant churches through baptism by the Catholic Church and, on the other hand, the clear rejection of all Protestants who believe doctrines which have been rejected by the Catholic Church.
Does the CCC say they are not guilt of heresy? No. It also talks about culpability. You cannot charge modern era protestants with the sin of separation. That is not saying they are not heretics. Please do not read more than what the words say.
Apparently, you don't read your own church's teachings all that well do you?
Not that surprising TBH
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