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the idea of being "worthy" to be saved and being righteous

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In describing Seventh Day Adventists beliefs: "Jesus' coming is when God executes His judgment, not when He investigates who is worthy to be saved." ~allexperts. com "The Investigative Judgement is a unique Seventh Day Adventist doctrine, which asserts that a judgment of professed Christian believers has been in progress since 1884." "The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom." ~wikipedia


Justification By God And Salvation

* "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we became conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from the law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and are justified [made righteous] freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. " (Romans 3:20-14)
* We "know that a man is not justified [<--Hebrew word meaning made righteous] by observing the law, but by faith in Christ Jesus. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified [made righteous] by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified [made righteous]" (Galatians 2:16).
* " In Christ, neither your most conscientious religion [keeping of all the rules and laws; punctual observance of the law] nor disregard of religion amounts to anything"--toward being justified (made righteous) before God or eternal salvation. But faith alone (in which is freely given to you and faith in Christ's righteousness and his work on the cross) justifies you before God and gives you eternal salvation. (Galatians 5:6). If we are justified (made righteous), not by our own righteous works, not by the law of Moses, but as a free gift of God through faith, there is no ground for boasting (Romans 3:27-31).
* "Therefore," says the apostle, "no man can hope to be justified [made righteous] by any law, whether it be that general law, or the particular law of Moses, and therefore to be saved: when we compare the law and man's life, we see that all men are sinners, and therefore worthy of condemnation in the sight of God." But God took that condemnation, the penalty of death on himself, satisfying perfect justice, so that we could be with him. (see Bible verse)
* If I was made righteous by my own works alone or partly by faith and partly by works, the glory of this justification would not be wholly given to God (see Bible verse).
* Christ won't be the Savior of any one who won't rely upon him as their only Savior (See Galatians chapter 5).

Righteousness And Holiness

* Christ made you righteous (Romans 3:27). Depending on the works of the law for righteousness forfits all your advantages by Jesus Christ.(Galatians 5:2-4).
* You can never be perfect. But Jesus did what you could not do. When God looks at you, He sees the righteousness of Christ.
* "We are made holy through the sacrifice Christ made in his body once and for all time." Hebrews 10:10

Being Set Right With God And Pleasing God

* "You are not set right with God by rule-keeping but only through personal faith in Jesus Christ" (Galatians 2:16).
* "If Abraham, by what he did for God, got God to approve him, he could certainly have taken credit for it. ...Abraham entered into what God was doing for him and that was the turning point. He trusted God to set him right instead of trying to be right on his own" (Romans 4:3).
* "If you see that the job is too big for you, that it's something only God can do, and you trust Him to do it--you could never do it for yourself no matter how hard and long you worked--well that trusting-him-to-do-it is what gets you set right with God, by God. Sheer gift" (Romans 4:5).
* "No human being can please God by self-improvement, instead we are set right before God by trusting the Messiah, not by trying to be good" (Galatians 2:16).

Being Fit Before God

* You don't have to make yourself fit before God. Jesus made you fit before God.
* "The sacrificed Jesus made us fit for God, set us right with God" (Romans 4:25).

Following The Rules

* "God made us alive with Christ, and he forgave all our sins. He cancelled the debt, which listed all the rules we failed to follow." Colossians 2:13-14
* "Entering into this fullness is not something you figure out or achieve. It's not a matter of..keeping a long list of laws. [You're an insider] through what Christ has already gone through for me, destroying the power of sin" (Col 2:11).
* "If a living relationship with God could come by rule-keeping, then Christ died unnecessarily" (Galatians 2:21).

Who Saves?

* "Saving is his work, all we do is trust him enough to let Him do it. We neither make nor save ourselves. God does both the making and the saving" (Ephesians 2:10).
* "By faith in Christ you are in direct relationship with God" (Galatians 3:26).

A Gift

* "This is why the fulfillment of God's promise depends entirely on trusting God and his way, and then simply embracing him and what he does. God's promise arrives as a pure gift. That's the only way everyone can be sure to get in on it, those who keep the religious traditions and those who have never heard of them." (Rom 4:16)

*"You are not 'doing' anything; you're simply calling out to God, trusting him to do it for you. That's salvation" (Romans 10:9).




Let me use a piece of the movie The Perfect Stranger to explain:


God is about restoring relationships. He isn't interested in people performing well enough for them. We can't possibly do that anyway.

God created people to have a relationship with Him so they could enjoy His love.

How many dishes would a child have to wash before she could get up in her father's lap and get a hug again? How many A's would she have to make in school? None. She doesn't have to do anything, she's his daughter. That's exactly how it is with us and God. We can't do anything to earn God's love.

No one is good enough to make it into Heaven no matter how hard they try. Doing all the right things, like keeping the Ten Commandments, won't get you into Heaven. Man's rebellion against God is like a huge rip in the moral fabric of the universe, with God on one side and everybody else on the other. And there's no way you can get to the other side. Because only God is big enough to fix the tear.

Mother Teresa for all her goodness, was no closer to bridging the gap than Hitler was. Both of them, based on their own merits, were still a long way from being with God.

Keeping the Ten Commandments won't get us into Heaven because no one could ever keep them well enough, because God's standard is perfection. On what basis will you stand before a perfect God and say that you've been good enough?

More than anything God wants to forgive people so they can return to Him, but God's desire to forgive can't override his perfect justice. People have to pay a penalty for breaking God's laws. And the penalty is death.

So what has to happen before he'll take us back? Well God has two options. Either God can let people pay their own penalties--which they can't do, there's no way, they'd be separated from Him forever. God's other option is to take the penalty of death on Himself. He can do that because He's God. The Creator is always greater than the creation. And for the Creator to take on the penalty of death for himself, that satisfies perfect justice.

God wants you with him. It's why he made you in the first place. But you're naturally separated from God because of the bad stuff you do. And to make good on the fact that a penalty has to be paid before you can be with God, God took your penalty on Himself and He died to pay it for you. All he wants from you is just that you trust Him and believe in the fact that he did die to pay your penalty.
 

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In describing Seventh Day Adventists beliefs: "Jesus' coming is when God executes His judgment, not when He investigates who is worthy to be saved."

Adventists believe that we are worthy because HE is worthy. The judgment is all about finding out who proclaims that HE is worthy. All the Universe will be able to see that He is not only worthy ... but just.
 
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How many dishes would a child have to wash before she could get up in her father's lap and get a hug again? How many A's would she have to make in school? None. She doesn't have to do anything, she's his daughter. That's exactly how it is with us and God. We can't do anything to earn God's love.

Great post! God's gift towards us is so great that it just blows your mind.

I'd like to add that after our Father has manifested so great a love towards us if He asked me to wash the dishes i'd sure be happy to!


Abraham the father of all who believe showed us a great example, his faith was credited to him as righteousness, and at the end of his life this was declared about him Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

We are saved but from what? Sin! If it required the death of Christ to remove our sins, how could we possibly want to live in it any longer.

What is Sin? It is this ugly thing that carries the death penalty. You hit it right on when you pointed out that breaking God's laws condemns us to death because Sin is breaking God's law.

The relationship between the law and grace is simple and yet confuses so many people, God has saved us from the penalty of the law ie. death. But how did he do this? Did he do it by destroying the law or paying the penalty for it on our behalf?

He paid the penalty. He paid it not us, we can't pay it which you so beautifully pointed out. We can never live up to the standard of Christ's righteousness... Behold what manner of love that the father has bestowed on us that we should be called the sons of God (1 John 3:1) By beholding this love towards us we become changed (2 cor 3:18) and by God's grace love springs forth in our hearts towards God because he first loved us (1 john 4:19) God comes and makes his home with us lives in us and (1 cor 3:16) makes us fruitul (John 15:5) It becomes our delight to do God's will and keep his commandments (ps 1:2) and we manifest our love towards God by being obedient to his commandments (John 14:15,21; John 15:10, 1 John 5:2,3; 2 john 1:6)
 
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What did Jesus say?
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Luke 20[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife. 34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. [/FONT]
 
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What did Jesus say?
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Luke 20[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife. 34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. [/FONT]
Emphasis on the word "accounted". Does not mean they BES worthy. Only that they gets COUNTED AS worthy.
 
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This is not a debate forum or is teaching allowed by non-members, the rules are clear on this as seen below:

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In case anyone is not clear on what 'fellowship post' is this should make it quiet clear:





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Those who disagree with a congregation’s Statement of Faith will not discuss reasons for or against any subject being discussed on this sub-forum. This includes questions that essentially are rebuttal or argumentative in nature. Those who disagree will not engage in theological discussions that defend their particular point of view on scriptural, theological, doctrinal, social, or political issues.

2) It is not answering questions or teaching.

Only a member of the congregational forum may give answers to and instruct on doctrinal questions. While there may be many very good ideas on the subject from non-members, they may not give instruction. Earnest questions are always welcome, from anyone.

3) What Fellowship is:

Essentially fellowship is defined as the discussion of topics of association, of companionship - i.e. discussions of things like friends, family, work..... these topics are fellowship. Posts that offer friendship would certainly be described as fellowship.


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As long as Moriah's name remains on the rosters of the SDA church it still qualifies as an SDA member, and therefore has the right to post here, sorry. If you wish this to change you may petition the general conference to strike its name from membership. if you wish to verify its name being on those books, it will gladly disclose its legal name to ONE unbiased staff member of CF NOT affiliated with this subforum who will sign an affidavit pledging to NOT leak its legal name to anyone else, and they may inquire.
 
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This is not a debate forum or is teaching allowed by non-members, the rules are clear on this as seen below:

Forum-Specific Guidelines for the Traditional Adventist Forum

The Congregation-Wide Guidelines apply to this forum. They outline the basic membership and debate guidelines for this forum. Additional guidelines are explained below.

Additional guidelines on debate:
  • The main Traditional Adventist forum is a fellowship forum. Non-members may post in fellowship and Adventist members may give answers to questions asked, in accordance with official church statements and the 28 Fundamental Beliefs.Questions that are likely to lead to debate should be asked in the Debate/Discussion subforum.
In case anyone is not clear on what 'fellowship post' is this should make it quiet clear:





Definition of a Fellowship post in the forum
DEFINITION OF A FELLOWSHIP POST

1) It is not debate or apologetics (defense).

Those who disagree with a congregation’s Statement of Faith will not discuss reasons for or against any subject being discussed on this sub-forum. This includes questions that essentially are rebuttal or argumentative in nature. Those who disagree will not engage in theological discussions that defend their particular point of view on scriptural, theological, doctrinal, social, or political issues.

2) It is not answering questions or teaching.

Only a member of the congregational forum may give answers to and instruct on doctrinal questions. While there may be many very good ideas on the subject from non-members, they may not give instruction. Earnest questions are always welcome, from anyone.

3) What Fellowship is:

Essentially fellowship is defined as the discussion of topics of association, of companionship - i.e. discussions of things like friends, family, work..... these topics are fellowship. Posts that offer friendship would certainly be described as fellowship.

Please respect the rules and the intent of this forum

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As long as Moriah's name remains on the rosters of the SDA church it still qualifies as an SDA member, and therefore has the right to post here, sorry. If you wish this to change you may petition the general conference to strike its name from membership. if you wish to verify its name being on those books, it will gladly disclose its legal name to ONE unbiased staff member of CF NOT affiliated with this subforum who will sign an affidavit pledging to NOT leak its legal name to anyone else, and they may inquire.

Moriah,

Aren't you the girl appeared in Jan Marcussen's videos?

I think it's quite clear when Red said the members he meant the members of this specific forum, not of GC.
 
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