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I understand where they are coming from. When we accept God, and creation, we must make some convoluted attempt to have agreement with science. They think that they must rape the bible of any reality to do that. Pretty faithless and lazy approach in my opinion.
Science doesn't know. So no one can support a same or different state. That is out. The bible is on my side big big time. How else could star light shine in creation week for starters?
You're completely disregarding all study of the Bible and all study of Creation though.
Agreed, but it is the base assumption on which ALL of science stands or falls, enjoying that computer you're using? How about medicine?
No it's not single miraculous acts such as creation and the flood do not therefore equal a change state, both events are portrayed as miraculous, what you are doing is massacring both Science and the Bible for no good reason.
First it must be believed, or forget even studying it! You will waste your time.
Noah never enjoyed my computer or Adam. That is the point, not how we can operate now.
The flood lasted a year and involved not a miraculous act, but a long series of events, and a nature that was far different. It was not a miracle that made men live a long time, it was nature. Fast plant growth too. etc.
So you can't make comparative studies of other religions? That flies in the face of reason, oh wait.
That's not really the point I was driving at, if we hadn't gotten anything meaningful out of the study of the past then you'd have a leg to stand on, but we have so quite frankly you don't.
Actually yes it did and you are limiting God by saying that a miraculous event has a time limit.
Yep because we all know that we're supposed to be fussing about genealogies...
Sure I can, I compare them with God's word. They either fly or not.
Getting something meaningful from the past in no way means a set of laws as is.
No. I am pointing out that it was trillions of events and lasted since creation. In no way can you special plead a miracle for every long life or fast tree grown, etc.
Living near 1000 years was part of the nature of the day.
You just said that you had to believe things in order to study them surely what you've just described is studying the other religions and then dismissing them based on your knowledge from elsewhere.
Well no, it does mean more or less that. What evidence other than the bible do you have for this change of state?
I'm not I'm saying that the miracle was the change in state over the course of the year for that year only.
nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith.
No. I am talking about the bible and creation. To study about it we first must believe it. Otherwise it will just be waving it all away.
What evidence does anyone have for any state? This is the question. Science falls flat as a flounder on that.
Nope. Because the fast tree growth and different thermodynamics, and long lives etc were NOT just in the flood year.
Jesus talked of the flood. He did not do what you insinuate here. So called science is the myth. Creation is NOT speculation.
The Bible among other things it is a book are you saying that there is no such thing as fiction? Don't you know that there are people who do in depth study of literature? I don't really understand your premise that the Bible needs to be believed in order to be studied. Sure not believing it won't do anything for the soul, but that's not what I'm arguing. The Bible has all the hallmarks of being inspired but not puppet written. And guess what it never claims to be!
I believe that the long lives are disconnect from the flood event because men continue to have long lives after the flood. You have no proof of fast tree growth outside of my two miracle events.
Jesus talked on judgement. And this was originally about genealogies, not the flood. Is our faith in Christ or in a literal 6 day creation? It is in Christ to say otherwise is to deny Christ. And his grace which covers all sin, I have yet to be convinced by anyone that my acceptance of science is sinful let alone that my interpretation of the bible is sinful.
The nature change as I deduce it was likely after the flood. The pattern is clear.
Specifically, the flood judgment. So?
What was?
Then why the guilt? We all sin. Just do not confuse real science with so called science. It is high time we came out of the darkness of so called science, and into His glorious light.
That doesn't really address studying the Bible as a bronze age text or even as a religious text.
So obviously it wasn't written by God but by fallible men, although inspired by who God is to write about him wrote to their own understanding of the cosmos rather than his knowledge, this is why the Bible states the earth is flat, why the sun moves around the earth and why creation happened in 6 days.
But not stated in Scripture. So quite frankly you're basing you're
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Can you even follow the parts of the conversation we are having? We were talking about Genealogies and how they aren't really necessary to be dwelt on but rather we should dwell on Christ who is the author and perfecter of our faith, such that good works might be displayed in our lives.
LOL, there is not really any case that you can make for Christ observing the Sabbath other than by redefining the Sabbath. In fact Christ says this about Sabbath observance:
Fallacy: that the big bang theory states anything about God
What guilt, I have no guilt, you want me to have guilt, you even twist my statement that I have no guilt into me having guilt.
No? Then let me address that now. God is Alpha and Omega. The great I am. That covers past present and future. So much for your imaginary Bronze age business.
God punching through via mere men is still God talking. So the creation week stays.
No, like many things, we have to have the key first to unlock what was already there. The first coming of the Lamb was not explicit, otherwise all would have caught on. Jesus had to expound stuff.
No. We were talking about the ice age. Later you drifted off into various things.
Well, He did say that the sabbath was made for man. That works. Man needed a rest.
I agree, it is godless.
Methinks thous dost protest too much.
Is the Bible God? You seem to think that this is so, idolatry much?
Thing is that Genesis 1 says much more than just that God created in 6 days, we've been over this in another thread.
Ah so gnosticism is your angle.
I don't remember Jesus saying anything about the Flood being different in fact I remember him specifically stating that it was the same. (cf. Matt 24:38)
Well you were also talking about your baseless idea about multistate universe.
And we need to believe in this different state to be Christian?
It's agnostic towards God.
meh
In the beginning was the word, and the word...was God. This is news?
It says more, yes, but it says that too. So?
No it is yours. Jesus really did expound what the psalms and etc meant.
False. That chapter is about the end time. In referring to the time of the flood, it listed a few things...marrying, etc. Wouldn't be surprised if it was same sex! Go flood go.
No. Not me. Who says the universe is all earth state??
Do you think heaven is same state?????
Ok...so is that good?
Is that like 'drats..foiled again'?
Let me ask you a question.
Bingo! That's my point.
Do you want to answer my question, or do you want to just sit and think the Hebrew writers were ignorant, fallible, Bronze Age, goat herders, who tried their best to write what they knew?
