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The history of American anti-Catholicism

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While looking for something else, I can across this information. I had long known that the history of America was full of anti-Catholicism, but never knew the extent. Here's a little history lesson for you:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/rssstory.mpl/front/3106365

Non-Protestant groups.98% of colonial America belonged to one Protestant sect or another.Only 1.4% embraced Roman Catholicism, and only 0.12% embraced Judaism.
  • In 1775, there were 6 Jewish congregations, 56 Catholic, 65 Methodist, 120 Dutch Reformed, 150 Lutheran, 159 German Reformed, 310 Quaker, 494 Baptist, 495 Anglican, 588 Presbyterian, and 668 Congregation churches in America.
  • To protect Catholics in case of eventual discrimination, Lord Baltimore urged passage of the Toleration Act in 1664.It granted freedom of religion to all who believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ.Five years later, however, under the domination of Protestant legislature, the act was repealed and Catholic were denied the protection of the law.The repeal signified how the colonist, and in later centuries other Protestants, regarded, the Roman Catholic faith.
The English, in particular, were anti-Catholic, because English’s rivals, France and Spain, were catholic countries.The colonist feared that the Pope would order all Catholics to fight the spread of democracy.

Anti-Catholicism in colonial time manifest primarily in the area of civil and religious rights.Only in Rhode Island could a colonist Catholic enjoy full civil and religious rights according to chapter, decrees, and laws of the land.

<UL><LI>In Pennsylvania, where there were a number of Catholic churches.Catholics were permitted freedom of worship and enjoyed voting rights, but despite Quaker support they were excluded from public.

<LI>According to Maryland laws passed after 1691, Catholics not only were deprived of political rights, but were also forbidden to hold religious services except in private houses.

<LI>In other colonies, including Maryland, Catholics were second class citizens, repressed, banished, and categorically scorned and even excluded.

http://www.nhc.rtp.nc.us:8080/tserve/nineteen/nkeyinfo/nromcath.htm

To Protestants, the immigrants' religion was cause for great consternation. Protestants prided themselves on living in a country founded as a Protestant "light unto the world," as the Puritans put it. They felt threatened that America might soon become a "Catholic" country; they worried that the Catholic religion, with its hierarchies and traditions, had made the immigrants unsuitable for democratic and individualistic America. They even mused whether the Catholics were coming in droves in order to colonize America for the pope! The churches could try to protect the immigrants, but they could do little to counter the prejudice Catholic immigrants faced in "mainstream" America every day. Neighbors called Catholics names, employers refused to promote them, landlords rented them their worst apartments, newspapers blamed them for rising crime rates, and banks refused them loans. A popular national organization, the American Protective Association, was founded specifically to promote anti-Catholicism and other prejudices.
 
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I have experience anti-Catholic feelings toward me and my wife from my Baptist sister. It has been terrible. Now she has been talking to my sister-in-law and brother who are members of some off the wall church and now they too are dropping phrases as you worship statues, Mary is only a regular woman, We don'T trust the Pope. My wife is not a christian because of her infant baptism. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH. Have any of you ever experience anything like this. My only recourse is to pray for them that one day they make understand. Lord help me at this time of pain.
 
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Yep. English nationalist was originally very much centred around anti-Catholicism.

That is why Anglicans claiming to be "Anglo-Catholic" is somewhat paradoxical as it was their non-Catholicism which Anglicans were originally so proud of!
 
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Many of us have experienced this kind of venom, but I just want to caution everyone about discussing this subject. It can EASILY lead to resentment, anger, pride, and many un-Christian feelings. Let's all be careful that this doesn't happen and remember Jesus's command to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us.
 
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markh said:
That is why Anglicans claiming to be "Anglo-Catholic" is somewhat paradoxical as it was their non-Catholicism which Anglicans were originally so proud of!

But there is a long history behind that. Originally during the reigns of Henry VIII and Elizabeth, many people didn't want to give up Catholicism and so had to go underground. The supposition that the general populace was anti-Catholic is hotly debated.
 
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Markh said:
Yep. English nationalist was originally very much centred around anti-Catholicism.

That is why Anglicans claiming to be "Anglo-Catholic" is somewhat paradoxical as it was their non-Catholicism which Anglicans were originally so proud of!
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Please don't lump Anglo-Catholics in with the general Protestant Reformation, it really isn't the same thing that happened with them. Anglican's got taken over by Cromwell, that's why you see the differences between Ango-Catholics and Protestant Anglicans...that's a very elementary viiew, I'm sure our friends can correct and explain way better than I.
but Mark, please, there is nothing laughable about it, nor is it charitable to the Ango-Catholics who have defended us and our faith in such piety on this board for you to make fun of them.
 
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Glynnw said:
I have experience anti-Catholic feelings toward me and my wife from my Baptist sister. It has been terrible. Now she has been talking to my sister-in-law and brother who are members of some off the wall church and now they too are dropping phrases as you worship statues, Mary is only a regular woman, We don'T trust the Pope. My wife is not a christian because of her infant baptism. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH. Have any of you ever experience anything like this. My only recourse is to pray for them that one day they make understand. Lord help me at this time of pain.

Hi Glynn,
This post sounds like it could have been written by my sister-in-law about ME a little over a year ago.
I absolutely thought that you all worshipped statues and Mary and did a lot of other weird stuff. And I was *genuinely* concerned for your souls! I never meant for any of my "anti-catholic" thoughts to be hateful---I truly believed that most catholics were going to hell. In my defense, most of the catholics that I have known personally are very different than the ones I have met here (like, hardly every going to mass, drinking lots, cursing, no apparent interest in God other than to use His name in vain, yet having this air of superiority because they are catholic).
Glynn, I don't know if you have really had opportunity to sit down and talk with your baptist sister, but if the two of you could openly and prayerfully talk about what you believe, maybe it would help. I know one thing that helped me was someone explaining the distinction between worship, adoration, veneration (sorry, by now I forget which means what--but it helped at the time). Another thing that really helped me was the explanation about salvation being a past, present, and future concept (with scripture verses for each). Baptists, as you know, really like to see something directly in the Bible.
Now, I must say, there are still a lot of things catholics believe that I don't accept. You all certainly do things differently than how I prefer (don't want to name any specifics, because I certainly don't want to side-track this thread into an argument). But the things you do don't seem nearly as kooky to me now as they used to!
Keep being patient and loving toward your baptist relatives--perhaps your Christ-like spirit will cause them to view your faith in a more positive light.
blessings, kayanne
 
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England had a State religion.
This meant if you were a rabid anti-Papist, you were a member of the Church of England.
If you were a devout Roman Catholic, you were a member of the Church of England.




Imagine if you will, that all of us on this message board are Roman Catholic, and we live in a country with a king, and he declared that the official state religion was Baptist.

On Sunday, we go to church, and our Priest and Bishop are still there – same prayers, same hymns, same congregants, same liturgy, and in fact nothing has changed. Generations later your great grand children say, “My Great grandparents were Baptist.” Obviously they were missing a piece of the story.
 
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kayanne said:
Hi Glynn,
This post sounds like it could have been written by my sister-in-law about ME a little over a year ago.
I absolutely thought that you all worshipped statues and Mary and did a lot of other weird stuff. And I was *genuinely* concerned for your souls! I never meant for any of my "anti-catholic" thoughts to be hateful---I truly believed that most catholics were going to hell. In my defense, most of the catholics that I have known personally are very different than the ones I have met here (like, hardly every going to mass, drinking lots, cursing, no apparent interest in God other than to use His name in vain, yet having this air of superiority because they are catholic).
Glynn, I don't know if you have really had opportunity to sit down and talk with your baptist sister, but if the two of you could openly and prayerfully talk about what you believe, maybe it would help. I know one thing that helped me was someone explaining the distinction between worship, adoration, veneration (sorry, by now I forget which means what--but it helped at the time). Another thing that really helped me was the explanation about salvation being a past, present, and future concept (with scripture verses for each). Baptists, as you know, really like to see something directly in the Bible.
Now, I must say, there are still a lot of things catholics believe that I don't accept. You all certainly do things differently than how I prefer (don't want to name any specifics, because I certainly don't want to side-track this thread into an argument). But the things you do don't seem nearly as kooky to me now as they used to!
Keep being patient and loving toward your baptist relatives--perhaps your Christ-like spirit will cause them to view your faith in a more positive light.
blessings, kayanne

Hi Kayanne, I have hope that Protestant and Catholic could come together to understand each other. There is so much misunderstanding of our faiths. I would know since I have been on both sides. I keep thinking of a way this could happen. We are all Christians. When I was Baptist there was things that I did not agree with and it is the same way as a Catholic. Maybe we could have a thread explaining each others faith explaining all of those as you say kooky things we do. Please pray for me that my family, especially my sister will finally understand.

In Christ, GlynnW
 
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gtsecc said:
England had a State religion.
This meant if you were a rabid anti-Papist, you were a member of the Church of England.
If you were a devout Roman Catholic, you were a member of the Church of England.




Imagine if you will, that all of us on this message board are Roman Catholic, and we live in a country with a king, and he declared that the official state religion was Baptist.

On Sunday, we go to church, and our Priest and Bishop are still there – same prayers, same hymns, same congregants, same liturgy, and in fact nothing has changed. Generations later your great grand children say, “My Great grandparents were Baptist.” Obviously they were missing a piece of the story.
Thank you for the info... I do find it educational... I really do...

None of us were there in history when it took place, and none of us know how the faithful were actually preserved. Probably not the way we read about things in the history books...(or even when we read Catholic history)--makes you think twice, three and four times about how you treat people... because that never really gets recorded for future generations, unless it's by personal testimony. And that is where the faithful emerge from. Which is why reading the stories of the Saints is so important. Thank you.

I know that's a little off topic from what you meant, but it inspired me to say that.

Michelle
 
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gtsecc said:
England had a State religion.
This meant if you were a rabid anti-Papist, you were a member of the Church of England.
If you were a devout Roman Catholic, you were a member of the Church of England.




Imagine if you will, that all of us on this message board are Roman Catholic, and we live in a country with a king, and he declared that the official state religion was Baptist.

On Sunday, we go to church, and our Priest and Bishop are still there &#8211; same prayers, same hymns, same congregants, same liturgy, and in fact nothing has changed. Generations later your great grand children say, &#8220;My Great grandparents were Baptist.&#8221; Obviously they were missing a piece of the story.

That is not quite true because Catholcism always existed underground, the people who went and received communion at the Anglican services were in contradiction to Church teaching, they had if you like "converted" as they were no longer being faithful to Rome.

St John Fisher and St Thomas More died rather than betray the Church.

The idea that nothing changed is nonsense too! The Church appearence was changed immensely under the Tudor monarchs and for certain the most important thing did change- The validity of the sacraments.
 
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Glynnw said:
I have experience anti-Catholic feelings toward me and my wife from my Baptist sister. It has been terrible. Now she has been talking to my sister-in-law and brother who are members of some off the wall church and now they too are dropping phrases as you worship statues, Mary is only a regular woman, We don'T trust the Pope. My wife is not a christian because of her infant baptism. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH. Have any of you ever experience anything like this. My only recourse is to pray for them that one day they make understand. Lord help me at this time of pain.

Yes, I have had similar comments made to me by love ones and website Protestants too. We must pray for them and trust in the Holy Spirit and His power to convict and change hearts. All we can do is try our best to love them and share with them our faith, hope and charity... in whatever way we are led to by our heavenly Father. I'm not a very good apologetics... I just figured that out tonight. I, too, had a conversation with a fallen away Catholic friend and I tried my best to answer her questions and to share the Objective Truth... it was a nice conversation... and I don't know what the outcome will be, but I do know that God will utilize what He will... I'm trusting Him to touch her heart and bring her back and I don't know what else I can do at this very moment anyway.

I will keep your situation in my prayers. Please hug your wife and give her the love and reassurance that she may need. You probably already figured that part out...

God's Peace,

D'Ann
 
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D'Ann said:
Yes, I have had similar comments made to me by love ones and website Protestants too. We must pray for them and trust in the Holy Spirit and His power to convict and change hearts. All we can do is try our best to love them and share with them our faith, hope and charity... in whatever way we are led to by our heavenly Father. I'm not a very good apologetics... I just figured that out tonight. I, too, had a conversation with a fallen away Catholic friend and I tried my best to answer her questions and to share the Objective Truth... it was a nice conversation... and I don't know what the outcome will be, but I do know that God will utilize what He will... I'm trusting Him to touch her heart and bring her back and I don't know what else I can do at this very moment anyway.

I will keep your situation in my prayers. Please hug your wife and give her the love and reassurance that she may need. You probably already figured that part out...

God's Peace,

D'Ann

D'Ann, You are really doing the Lords work. We all should be trying to bring those that have lost their way back to the church. Thanks so much for the encouragment. This has been going on for one year. Thanks for the prayers, seems I will need them. My poor mother, who is 90 cannot figure out what is going on. She just knows I'm Catholic now and my sister can not stand it. I feel my sister is putting forth a last stand, since I was brought into the Church in December, but will not be confirmed until May 15.

I pray for her everyday that she might understand, GlynnW
 
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Cjwinnit said:
Was this before or after catholic monarchs on the continent tried to invade and subjugate?

Well we all know that the English never invaded or subjugated anybody, which is why the sun never set on the...hmmm, maybe I should rethink this... ;)

(and I say this as a Catholic Anglophile :thumbsup: )
 
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Poohbear246 said:
But there is a long history behind that. Originally during the reigns of Henry VIII and Elizabeth, many people didn't want to give up Catholicism and so had to go underground. The supposition that the general populace was anti-Catholic is hotly debated.

That's how I understand it -- the populace was very Catholic, and rather brutal measures were needed over the decades and centuries were needed to change that. BTW, Cardinal Newman's discussion on the state of Catholics in England is worth reading: http://www.newmanreader.org/works/england/index.html
 
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Markh said:
That is not quite true because Catholcism always existed underground, the people who went and received communion at the Anglican services were in contradiction to Church teaching, they had if you like "converted" as they were no longer being faithful to Rome.
If the King said, "Markh" I now declare you Baptist, what would change for you? I suspect nothing. What about your Priest? Are his orders invalid now just because the King says so? What about the Sacraments? I think you have to realize that just because the King says something, doesn't mean the hearts of the people changed. The underground services for folks faithful to Rome, were the regular Sunday services. It is hard to look into the hearts of the millions of Christians in England and say exactly when the change was sufficient that they were no longer Roman Catholic. A huge change was holding the service in English. Did that invalidate anything? If I put a sign in the ground infront of your Parish that declares that this is now "First Baptist" does the Host in the Tabernacle suddenly become unconsecrated? No, you would probably say the Church ceases to be the Church when Rome says so. That Bull was issued in 1896. But, this is starting to get into the off limits area. If you are truely interested, we can continue this on STR.
 
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