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Membership for this club is for Christians who have always identified with the rebels of societies: Noah, the Prophets, Gideon, Christ, Luther, King Jr., etc. It's a gathering for those who can't identify with "normal people" because of where God has called them.

No "I'll join" post is necessary. Just lay out what's on your heart/mind.
 

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Have always identified with the so-called "rebels" ... it actually prefers the term "revolutionaries" actually, as "rebel" implies the System bes good and should not be bucked whereas "revolutionary" implies the System sucks and SHOULD be not just bucked but overturned and ousted! Have always found far more heinous and objectionable "traits" in those priding themselves on being the bread 'n' butter of society than in those marginalised or pushed to its fringes. Seems ppls whats got "no vices" (so to speak) have tremendous internal vices which blacken and sour their hearts and make them cold, judgmental, cruel, or eternally obsessed with trying to police and correct everyone whose "vices" bes visible. Whereas those with "visible" vices turn out to be deeper thinkers with clearer view of things and hearts of gold ready to accept and embrace anyone. By this it bes easy to see how/why it bes said JC preferred the company of the prostitutes, publicans, and other overt "sinners" to that of the so-called "righteous". Those ppls with no obvious exterior sins bes the ones with the nastiest hearts full of hypocrisy, selfishness, deceit, oppression, etc. while those caught in obvious sins had better interior qualities for they bes them poor in spirit what JC callsy BLESSED.

This one here have a unique sense of calling that no one else comprehends: it believes God has ordained its current configuration and keeps it like this for purposes of His own. Not easy to walk and it means spending a lot of time away from God and genuinely believing itself lost for all eternity. But when He makes His reasons known it bes exceedingly sweet. It believes in the Romans 5 God/JC and accepts nothing less, nothing else, than that One. The One that helps the HELPLESS, not "only those what helps themselves." :| The One what does something for/about SINNERS, not pretends to and claims to but in reality can only be bothered helping those who have become righteous enough temporarily to "choose" to be saved. So Moriah believes God has His purposes in letting her be daimonizomai. And when He bes ready to change that, He will enable her to desire freedom and bring her to those what can help her obtain it.

It has about given up on CF though. Very disappointed & sad at the direction the site has taken recently. :(
 
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It has about given up on CF though. Very disappointed & sad at the direction the site has taken recently. :(
Agreed! Thinking of changing my username to CF Apostate.

Not only have I always identified with rebels in society, I also root for the bad guy in the movie.
 
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Membership for this club is for Christians who have always identified with the rebels of societies: Noah, the Prophets, Gideon, Christ, Luther, King Jr., etc. It's a gathering for those who can't identify with "normal people" because of where God has called them.

No "I'll join" post is necessary. Just lay out what's on your heart/mind.

I've always been a loner and have never identified with so called normal people but the older I get the more I find there are no "normal people" that's a misnomer. We are all individuals and certainly, many of us function more as loners than others in the Body of Christ but how can we have the Body of Christ, be members of the Kingdom of God, or the Church if we separate ourselves from each other. We really do have more in common that we let ourselves believe and function more powerfully spiritually when together IMO. Thanks.
 
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Membership for this club is for Christians who have always identified with the rebels of societies: Noah, the Prophets, Gideon, Christ, Luther, King Jr., etc. It's a gathering for those who can't identify with "normal people" because of where God has called them.

No "I'll join" post is necessary. Just lay out what's on your heart/mind.

*waving my hand, wildly!*

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Me, count ME in the number! (It's been difficult much of the time... like swimming up stream.)
 
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Agreed! Thinking of changing my username to CF Apostate.

Not only have I always identified with rebels in society, I also root for the bad guy in the movie.


Oh my Iz this brings back memories!! As early as the age of somewhere between 4 and 6 it began identifying with the "villians" in films instead of the heroes. It remembers distinctly perceiving that the hostile, nasty attitudes toward them coming from the so-called "good" people bes at least partially to blame for them going the route that they did. Pretty astute for a 4-6 year old, eh? Though it had quite the teacher at 3 ... some late night chats with the Big Bad Wolf taught it some interesting abstract moral reasoning beyond that of most adults at that exceedingly premature age. LOL. ;)
 
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Oh my Iz this brings back memories!! As early as the age of somewhere between 4 and 6 it began identifying with the "villians" in films instead of the heroes. It remembers distinctly perceiving that the hostile, nasty attitudes toward them coming from the so-called "good" people bes at least partially to blame for them going the route that they did. Pretty astute for a 4-6 year old, eh? Though it had quite the teacher at 3 ... some late night chats with the Big Bad Wolf taught it some interesting abstract moral reasoning beyond that of most adults at that exceedingly premature age. LOL. ;)
It began at a young age for me as well. Funny, I have those words, "The Big Bad Wolf" tattooed on my left rear shoulder.

Anyway, you should see my sons' looks of shock when I cheer on "The Green Goblin."
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Well, no cartoon characters came to me when little (thank God!), but I clearly recall walking up my yard at age 5 feeling distinctly "different" and knowing I was, somehow, and knowing this was my lot in life.
I always talked to the neighborhood people others didn't like, maybe because I never felt like I was better than they.
Right now, and for decades, no humans will have anything to do with me. Why, I do not know.
 
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Have always identified with the so-called "rebels" ... it actually prefers the term "revolutionaries" actually, as "rebel" implies the System bes good and should not be bucked whereas "revolutionary" implies the System sucks and SHOULD be not just bucked but overturned and ousted! Have always found far more heinous and objectionable "traits" in those priding themselves on being the bread 'n' butter of society than in those marginalised or pushed to its fringes. Seems ppls whats got "no vices" (so to speak) have tremendous internal vices which blacken and sour their hearts and make them cold, judgmental, cruel, or eternally obsessed with trying to police and correct everyone whose "vices" bes visible. Whereas those with "visible" vices turn out to be deeper thinkers with clearer view of things and hearts of gold ready to accept and embrace anyone. By this it bes easy to see how/why it bes said JC preferred the company of the prostitutes, publicans, and other overt "sinners" to that of the so-called "righteous". Those ppls with no obvious exterior sins bes the ones with the nastiest hearts full of hypocrisy, selfishness, deceit, oppression, etc. while those caught in obvious sins had better interior qualities for they bes them poor in spirit what JC callsy BLESSED.

This one here have a unique sense of calling that no one else comprehends: it believes God has ordained its current configuration and keeps it like this for purposes of His own. Not easy to walk and it means spending a lot of time away from God and genuinely believing itself lost for all eternity. But when He makes His reasons known it bes exceedingly sweet. It believes in the Romans 5 God/JC and accepts nothing less, nothing else, than that One. The One that helps the HELPLESS, not "only those what helps themselves." :| The One what does something for/about SINNERS, not pretends to and claims to but in reality can only be bothered helping those who have become righteous enough temporarily to "choose" to be saved. So Moriah believes God has His purposes in letting her be daimonizomai. And when He bes ready to change that, He will enable her to desire freedom and bring her to those what can help her obtain it.

It has about given up on CF though. Very disappointed & sad at the direction the site has taken recently. :(
Awesome post! Jesus truly has a hold of you! :clap:
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following Jesus and dewing watt He wants makes 4 a ponder & an excitement into the unknown
 
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The more I see of people, the more I think the ones who did everything wrong for all the right reasons will enter to Heaven before the missionaries and church fathers.

I have always identified with those who wear masks. Everyone says they needed to wear a mask to cover up what was undernearth (presumably their "true" face). I think they wore the mask because the mask was their true face. They needed to cover the lie that hid their true individuality.

Phantom of the Opera, comes to mind.

I also identify with underdogs who never necessarily succeeded, like Quasimodo, the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
 
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Well, no cartoon characters came to me when little (thank God!), but I clearly recall walking up my yard at age 5 feeling distinctly "different" and knowing I was, somehow, and knowing this was my lot in life.
I always talked to the neighborhood people others didn't like, maybe because I never felt like I was better than they.
Right now, and for decades, no humans will have anything to do with me. Why, I do not know.

Had its first "epiphany" at the age of 6. It saw clearly that it Bes Here for a Reason, and it saw clearly that reason, and its purpose in the world.
 
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The more I see of people, the more I think the ones who did everything wrong for all the right reasons will enter to Heaven before the missionaries and church fathers.
Honestly it bes not sure one can do "wrong for the right reasons" (though it feels fairly certain one can do so-called "right" for VERY WRONG reasons, and delude oneself into thinking one BES "right" and therefore HAS all "right" to do that) but it does know JC sez the prostitutes and publicans would enter the Kingdom before the Pharisees. Must be that "Blessed be the poor in spirit" clause again....those who imagine themselves spiritually/religiously the cream of the crop blessed with all the blessings go around trampling down those they perceive to be "sinners" and beneath themselves. The kinds of things they do and say to just TWO classes of people alone -- daimonizomai (those afflicted with demons) and the mentally ill (especially those who bes depressed and/or suicidal) -- bes so utterly, shockingly appalling and astonishing in their stark levels of utter insensitivity and cruelty it makes you wonder whether such persons have EVER ONCE in their lives encountered the true and living God or for that matter, their own true selves. :scratch:

(Hmmm ... one of these days remind us to tell you of the metaphors it has constructed concerning the differences between the spiritual / supernatural bondage of "Legion" versus the bondage the humans sought to place upon him ..... would make an interesting insightful tidbit for posting at some point. .....)

I have always identified with those who wear masks. Everyone says they needed to wear a mask to cover up what was undernearth (presumably their "true" face). I think they wore the mask because the mask was their true face. They needed to cover the lie that hid their true individuality.
That bes interesting -- never looked at it that way before. Only looked at it the other way -- that the mask bes imposed by society's expectations and demands (outward conformity of behavioral and interactive forms, etc.) hiding true self & true feelings, etc. and thus it has never identified with ppls what wore them because it bes never able to wear one itself. It bes so ill-fitting it bes constantly slipping off even if it tries, and even if it manages for 5 minutes to get the durned thing properly placed so that it should be seamless going over the nose, with the eyeholes where they belong, etc. it NEVER seems to work, never convinces anyone, really, so why bother even to wear the darn thing.

Moriah always feels even at her BEST imitation of human behavior to be something like an alien in human skin trying to pass for human among the humans and NEVER quite making it because they can ALWAYS tell it bes "trying", they can ALWAYS tell it bes mimicking what it sees, trying to pass, and that this bes not authentic for it. And in truth Moriah hates to be inauthentic so it does not try very hard anymore. Like HD (who posted above) feeling like she has been "different" all her life only on a scale several octaves higher.

Anyway back to what you said, BlackFyre -- it can certainly see that, in a kind of "curse of the magus" fashion. In other words given that others cannot perceive the truth of one's being by having said truth displayed openly, because others bes prone always to passing judgments, then filtering perceptions through those judgments, as well as just general misperceiving / misconstruing / misinterpreting -- then the mask becomes that which hides the lie that OTHERS read from the TRUTH and becomes a kind of template upon which to attempt to convey that TRUTH ironically through a "lie" of sorts. Which does not work either, but at least that way, with the mask, one feels a layer of insulation against the pain of misjudgment because, after all, it bes the mask them humans bes mucking about misperceiving and not the actual true being of oneself! Oh if only Moriah had such a layer, but as stated, it has never worked for her, so she must bear the full weight and full impact and full scale cutting and bleeding of it entirely upon her own face. :(

I also identify with underdogs who never necessarily succeeded, like Quasimodo, the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
Moriah tends to identify with evil geniuses turned bitter and villianous due to lack of well-earned recognition and appreciation by others, or else tragically misunderstood and therefore mistreated or in some other way cast out from places of warmth, nurture, connectivity, etc. and thus rendered mad by having been backed into a corner what pitted their own internal integrity against whatever tru-ism had to be upheld externally to satisfy whatever powers that be. Lucifer comes to mind here. ;)
 
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Had its first "epiphany" at the age of 6. It saw clearly that it Bes Here for a Reason, and it saw clearly that reason, and its purpose in the world.
I have an inkling, but can you explain exactly what the reason?
 
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Agreed! Thinking of changing my username to CF Apostate.

Not only have I always identified with rebels in society, I also root for the bad guy in the movie.

I've been looking in on this forum for a couple of years but it looked to daunting to join until recently. When you say, you're thinking of changing your name to CF Apostate, what do you mean by that. It looks like you were echoing what Moriah was saying about the forum and I paraphrase, taking a turn for the worse? What's going on in the forum now that is making it worse. I really like it so far with a few exceptions. Thanks.
 
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...So Moriah believes God has His purposes in letting her be daimonizomai...
It has about given up on CF though. Very disappointed & sad at the direction the site has taken recently. :(

After rereading this post and several others I believe that I am starting to understand where you are coming from.

Your statement about God letting you be daimonizomai has me confused however. After looking up the word...being possessed by a demon keeps coming up as a definition.

Do you believe God is allowing you to be possessed by a demon? Is it that God is allowing you to cast out demons, or is it something else. Trying to understand. Thanks.

Peace.
 
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It began at a young age for me as well. Funny, I have those words, "The Big Bad Wolf" tattooed on my left rear shoulder.

I have a tat on my rear shoulder too. Shes a batwinged female Imp of the Perverse sneaking one of her little clawed hands to the top of my shoulder.
Anyway, you should see my sons' looks of shock when I cheer on "The Green Goblin."
;)
I found this blurb from a long defunct profile while rummaging files for something else. I wouldnt be likely to say such things now that I'm so much more mature <insert eyeroll here> :swoon:but it sheds some light in its way....

"I was born north of the Abyss, dichotomies of dark-light, culprit-victim, god-devil, god-dog, 'shining shook from foil'* flarings in mine angel eye. Some Uncles, being good citizens, took it upon themselves to teach me how to swim by tossing me into the deep end from which I re-emerged the attitudes of a wet feline--who are well able swim to whatever degree they're motivated to do so. Unks taste like chicken flavored manna.

*curtsies
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Anyway back to what you said, BlackFyre -- it can certainly see that, in a kind of "curse of the magus" fashion. In other words given that others cannot perceive the truth of one's being by having said truth displayed openly, because others bes prone always to passing judgments, then filtering perceptions through those judgments, as well as just general misperceiving / misconstruing / misinterpreting -- then the mask becomes that which hides the lie that OTHERS read from the TRUTH and becomes a kind of template upon which to attempt to convey that TRUTH ironically through a "lie" of sorts. Which does not work either, but at least that way, with the mask, one feels a layer of insulation against the pain of misjudgment because, after all, it bes the mask them humans bes mucking about misperceiving and not the actual true being of oneself! Oh if only Moriah had such a layer, but as stated, it has never worked for her, so she must bear the full weight and full impact and full scale cutting and bleeding of it entirely upon her own face. :(

I identify with what you're saying here and have had similar experiences. Sometimes the closest approach you can make to truth is via a lie. Essence can be invoked more effectively by an artist than a workman with a mallet. At any rate thats my story and I'm sticking to it. :cool:
 
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