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This big picture..... I see Yeshua(Salvation) there and He puts Himself there and in alot of other places as well so nothing could be if it were not for Him being.
Im taking him at his word and Im looking at the big picture painted by John
its not my own belief but a messianic one that he had been around since before creation, and so has salvation
I think the OP was hinting at that but I will let him say so if that is true
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
The Composite List
Now let's put it all together:
Hebrew
English
Adam Man
Seth Appointed
Enosh Mortal
Kenan Sorrow
Mahalalel The Blessed God
Jared
Shall come down
Enoch Teaching
Methuselah His death shall bring
Lamech The despairing
Noah Rest, or comfort
Here is a summary of God's plan of redemption, hidden here within a genealogy in Genesis! You will never convince me that a group of Jewish rabbis deliberately "contrived" to hide the "Christian Gospel" right here in a genealogy within their venerated Torah!
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof.
Gen 2:20 And the man gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a help meet for him.
:: yet another terrible rendition of the Hebrew ::
Look, I'm not here to prove every silly notion wrong. If people want to believe fanciful nonsense, they will. Good luck with all of that, but I'm worn out from this. I think I'll bow out and let someone else deal with this. Have fun.
Well, 'historically' who would have been there to hear it?It's actually a very common teaching among Orthodox Jews that Adam spoke Hebrew -- and even that God created the world through the Hebrew tongue. I don't think that's accurate historically.
This is why we're talking about more objective things. Not everything comes down to wishful subjectivity. You're really getting off-topic, since we're talking about the meaning of את and the possibility of it meaning something besides what it's normally taken to mean. Your personal beliefs may be relevant to your faith, but they aren't exactly relevant to this discussion. Wouldn't you agree?
-Adam spoke Hebrew
- Well, 'historically' who would have been there to hear it?
Because Adam was married to Chava, who was clearly a jewess.I dont know anybody by name Chava who is not a Jewess.
That said, if he was allowed to speak ,well,on occasion, i am sure, it was not all that often..
Mmmmm - and there's me thinking that G_d's call came to Abram. Did I miss an auto-update to history somewhere.
Of course, my dear brother, you are right. I was goofying around.
Actually- i am serious as a heart attack now- it was somewhat satirical, poking fun at wannabe scientists and their, to put it mildly,"interesting" ideas. You ,I , CM, Yonah and everybody here who knows how academia works, is aware of whole sausagemaking process involved in brining a scientific idea to life. Be it applied sciences, pharmaceutical research, ingeneering, or liquistics, religion , history, etc.
For the grant money(fame,publications in mags, tenure,lab, etc) many scientists with pretty elastic notion of moral values would gladly do ANYTHING, including "proving" beyond doubt that the Earth is flat.
Fringe ideas would never be mainstream, for- lets not lose my faith in humanity here- there are more honest scientists that love their job then, khm...., the "other" kind.
Same here on forums. People use shady science to prove what they want. You cant rationalize with them , because, as the song goes,"what a man believes he sees" . Why Yonah bailed out. He wouldnt operate on that level, neither would you or Contra.
Are you saying then that Moses married an Ishmaelite?Moses lived with his father-in-law for 40 years in Midian before he came back to Egypt to take the people out. Surely he learned to read and write in their language! It's entirely possible that Hebrew developed as an offshoot of the Midianite language, though we cannot be sure - since we have no sure knowledge of their language. It is said that Midian was established by the sons of Abraham and Keturah. If that's the case, why wouldn't they have spoken the language of Abraham?
Are you saying then that Moses married an Ishmaelite?
Cor, I was really worried that Bill Gates had died and that auto updates were now going to be applied to everything, like in Windows, and I'd missed it.
The interesting thing is that those of us who are academics / scholars / ordained leaders and equivalents have particular subjects so, between us, we can focus on many different areas, hopefully bringing clarity to a variety of issues on here. I'm not a linguist as YM is so, on the whole, I am more than happy to leave that to him and CM and so on.
Amen,amen. You boys totally rock, each in your own area. I know academia just from student standpoint.
I cant discuss hebrew,english or any linguistics with any kind of authority.
I see how discussions about the meaning of letters usually deteriorate.. Being an air head i am, it always reminds me of a (pretty much cult) movie, Eskimo Limon,comedy, there is a moment when Yudale (goofball walking trouble young soldier) comes to caban( army doctor, psychiatrist) asking for Gimel - that letter is used to mean permission to take a break from service for few days for health reasons. Doctor sees he is trying to play hooky and says, soldier, you dont need gimel, you need ....( another letter of Hebrew alfabet,zayin)
"מותק, אתה לא צריך גימל, אתה צריך זין"
Where i am getting with this silliness- there are many meanings, so all those fights about it,unless somwhat productive and educational in the process, are useless...
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