That is sooo Cool, so am I, although I dont know nearly enough about the old faith as I wish I did.... to know the old is to understand the new, the more of the old I know the more I understand the new.
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That is sooo Cool, so am I, although I dont know nearly enough about the old faith as I wish I did.... to know the old is to understand the new, the more of the old I know the more I understand the new.
Interesting topic... I have a challenge for everyone here. I would like to see just one instance in the Bible where the Sabbath is defined as what we call Saturday. I guess you would have to establish sunday as the first day of the week but I don't see that in the bible either. Perhaps Wednesday is the true Sabbath???
Please prove me wrong. I have no problem with that. I don't remember where I first heard this but I have not been able to find anything to disprove it.
Please prove me wrong. I have no problem with that. I don't remember where I first heard this but I have not been able to find anything to disprove it.
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This is another unfounded accusation concerning Constantine. There are numerous records from the Early Church fathers concerning Sunday worship. The ancient Didache certainly addresses it, as well as Ignatius, Tertullian, Cyprian as well as others well in advance of even the birth of Constantine, from the 1st century through the 4rth.
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I guess if we wanted to know the true Sabbath, we would have to figure out the exact day, month, and year of the first day of creation and count off by seven....
Saturday, Sunday, what's the difference?
Saturday, Sunday, what's the difference?
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The point, apparently, is that God is extremely technical about things. In fact, He's so technical as to consider the whole sabbath thing THE most important issue in the world. It is God's will that one breaks free from other denominations and found a new one on the opinion that the week starts on sunday. Man is pretty much out of tune with God because so many of us are running one day behind.knownbeforetime said:
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The Jews are the tribe of Judah the only existing tribe left identifiable. If they say the seventh day commences on Friday evening I believe them.
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And I suppose that means we shouldn't eat on the Sabbath (whenever that is) or eat meat w/dairy?vincejohn said:
Why does it matter? Love the Lord and love your neighbor as yourself.
The Bible says, "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God." Work 6 days, take the seventh off. It does NOT say work Sunday thru Friday, and take off Saturday. It also does NOT say work Monday thru Saturday, and take off Sunday. It just says take off every seventh day and devote it to the Lord. In the western culture, that means Sunday.
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in the western culture we work seven days a week!
As for western christians the lords day was not meant to replace the sabbath, it is the fullfilment of the sabbath, I know a lot of fellowships dont worship on a saturday but saturday worship should not have been abandond by these fellowships, the lords day was not meant to replace the sabbath but to co-incide with it.
As for knowing when the sabbath is, traditionaly it is the friday evening to saturday evening.. if you want to take the risk and say its really a wednesday thats upto you, but I will trust the practice of saturday worship of the jews and sunday worship of the christians as the first and last days of the week
As for western christians the lords day was not meant to replace the sabbath, it is the fullfilment of the sabbath, I know a lot of fellowships dont worship on a saturday but saturday worship should not have been abandond by these fellowships, the lords day was not meant to replace the sabbath but to co-incide with it.
As for knowing when the sabbath is, traditionaly it is the friday evening to saturday evening.. if you want to take the risk and say its really a wednesday thats upto you, but I will trust the practice of saturday worship of the jews and sunday worship of the christians as the first and last days of the week
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Some more scripture. Of course it's Paul, so you know.....
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Take it over to The Message, it says it this way:
Col 2:16 So don't put up with anyone pressuring you in details of diet, worship services, or holy days.
Col 2:17 All those things are mere shadows cast before what was to come; the substance is Christ.
Pauls point is, we are not to argue on anything that does not involve salvation. The shadow of all of the Old Testament points to Yeshua, He is Lord of the sabbath, that was His point when He kept getting yelled at for healing on the sabbath, and plucking grain, etc. Gods' grace has replaced the Law, Yeshua fulfilled it.
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Take it over to The Message, it says it this way:
Col 2:16 So don't put up with anyone pressuring you in details of diet, worship services, or holy days.
Col 2:17 All those things are mere shadows cast before what was to come; the substance is Christ.
Pauls point is, we are not to argue on anything that does not involve salvation. The shadow of all of the Old Testament points to Yeshua, He is Lord of the sabbath, that was His point when He kept getting yelled at for healing on the sabbath, and plucking grain, etc. Gods' grace has replaced the Law, Yeshua fulfilled it.
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So, in other words you believe Saturday is the day of The Sabbath?
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You know why I'm comfortable with a Sunday Sabbath? The Bible says: "Work six days and take the seventh off and devote it to me". (pp. Exodus 20:8-9) The names of the days aren't mentioned. In instituting the Sabbath, God was instructing the Israelites not to caught up in the daily grind but to take a day off and devote it to the Lord. Sunday is my day off.Prophet01 said:
If some group of people in the jungle got behind in their calendar and they ended up celebrating the Sabbath on a Wednesday, I don't think God would throw a hissy fit.
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Its not about people stuck in jungles its about the groups of people who have changed the sabbath from the seventh to the first. They have altered Gods commanmdments. The Israelis have kept accurste records, the days now have Roman names but the number system is still accurate and very present..I follow God ..The Lord of The Sabbath.
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I posted the original commandment from the Ten Commandments. It says nothing about Saturday, Sunday, or their Hebrew equivalents.vincejohn said:
The original command says nothing about keeping accurate records or about names of days. It just says "work six days, take the seventh off and devote it to me".
If the exact day were so important, why haven't more people heard from God on this issue?
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