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Of course it's about physics. There's a whole field dedicated to it - cosmology. I'd be more inclined to look to cosmology for answers regarding the origin of the universe than theology.
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Of course it's about physics. There's a whole field dedicated to it - cosmology. I'd be more inclined to look to cosmology for answers regarding the origin of the universe than theology.But it's not about physics, it's about cause and effect, which are philosophical concepts, derived from logic and reason.
Like math perhaps.
No, it's about the cause of physics.Of course it's about physics.
The cause of physics? I don't even see that as an intelligible question as such. You might need to reword it.No, it's about the cause of physics.
You do see things can not cause themselves, don't you?
Maybe we can boil it down to:
Why is there anything at all?
Well, since physics is a part of the universe, and the universe is submitted to (laws of) physics....etcetera...The cause of physics? I don't even see that as an intelligible question as such. You might need to reword it.
Perhaps now you are beginning to see the extent of the mystery.Well, since physics is a part of the universe, and the universe is submitted to (laws of) physics....etcetera...
Sure it's a mystery.Perhaps now you are beginning to see the extent of the mystery.
We don't know.Sure it's a mystery.
But that doesn't mean the universe has no cause, or that anything has no cause.
Why is there anything in stead of nothing (not anything)?
Allright, but things exist, at least our perception of our common reality exists.We don't know.
What does that have to do with our ignorance on the question of the universe's origins?Allright, but things exist, at least our perception of our common reality exists.
Things can not cause themselves, or they would have existed without existing.
The atoms that make up my bicycle existed long before my bicycle was assembled. We never observe matter being created.So your bicycle has always existed before it existed?
The origins of the universe are not physical.
At T=0 physics come into play,
so apparently the cause of it is not physical.
You could say "Occams razor" and most will understand.
Maybe we can boil it down to:
Why is there anything at all?
Logic and reason do.Says who?
Not necessarily the simplest, but the most obvious.Occams razor is about going for the simplest explanation.
Do you make an effort to not understand things?The atoms that make up my bicycle existed long before my bicycle was assembled. We never observe matter being created.
It's a valid complaint. We "create" things from other things all the time. We never create things out of nothing.Do you make an effort to not understand things?
Great job in that case.
Unless they are gods?Logic and reason do.
Things can not cause themselves.
Again, we don't know....and because we can't it is impossible?
Then how did everything get here?
And what for?
I didn't say that. I merely pointed out that we have never observed anything being created. We don't know if it's possible....and because we can't it is impossible?
I don't know. Do you? Can you provide a well-reasoned argument and evidence to back it up? If not, we're in the same boat; I'm just more honest about it.Then how did everything get here?
I'm not sure there is a reason. If there is, I'm not aware of it. Do you know? Do you have evidence?And what for?
He didn't say that it was impossible. He merely pointed out that "the rules" we are familiar with have not been tested in the unfamiliar terrain that is creatio ex nihilo. More to the point, we aren't sure whether there is any such terrain to navigate in the first place....and because we can't it is impossible?
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