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In other words, there is something missing to link the conclusion to the premises?
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"Non sequitur" does not mean that there is a missing link in an argument, it means that the conclusion does not follow from the premises and syllogisms.
They are better parents than those people who continually attempt to shift the burden and blame away from their children onto someone else.
God is love. God is Holy. God is just.
These three, among others, necessitate that certain things happen in His world when men reject Him
So no, God is greater than a being who would not hold people accountable for what they do.
In your mind, a being who does not hold people accountable and kind of just sits back and has this whole do what you will attitude is one who can "control his own nature". I see no control in that concept of yours. I see apathy.
Men's pride and "moral and intellectual integrity" keeps them out of heaven my friend. It was what caused Lucifer to lose his place.
Right.
Don't you agree that God would allow people the freedom to choose?
Not necessarily. Surely you noticed I put the terms in quotation marks. Surely you read the post where I said that the proper use of the intellect is not something I have a problem with. Surely you read the post where I said that the pride that keeps one from admitting their need for a saviour is the pride that goes before a fall. I am very proud of my children when it is appropriate for me to be so, for example.So, moral and intellectual integrity are a bad thing. Got it.
Reminds me of the Mafia´s protection money policy - with some additional emotionalisms thrown in, for good measure.
Mafia boss holding a gun: "I want you to pay us for protection. If you refuse, that's fine - you are free to do so... but the consequences thereof will be that I will shoot you in the knee caps and my soldiers will come to your store and set it on fire. Because really, I love you and want you to be safe, which is why I want you to pay us for protection. But you are a free person, you can freely choose not to pay us for protection."
Not necessarily. Surely you noticed I put the terms in quotation marks. Surely you read the post where I said that the proper use of the intellect is not something I have a problem with. Surely you read the post where I said that the pride that keeps one from admitting their need for a saviour is the pride that goes before a fall. I am very proud of my children when it is appropriate for me to be so, for example.
And that is how you view God.
As such, you would not want to spend eternity with Him. For you heaven would be undesirable.
Heaven would be torturous for such a one.Hardly as undesireable as eternal torture.
I read your religious preaching, yes.
However, I only focused on the things that can actually be related to reality.
The devastating effects of inordinate pride are real. You don't have to be religious to recognize this.
All of this is beside the point of the OP I think and as much as I would like to discuss this, I will refrain. I want to try and respect quatona and not derail this thread anymore than it had been already. This is more of an apologetics issue anyway.
Lol, I asked you to tell him how you determine a being to be superior to another.
The problem is that, for you, the only "proper use of the intellect" is to agree with your position. So DogmaHunter hits the nail on the head.Not necessarily. Surely you noticed I put the terms in quotation marks. Surely you read the post where I said that the proper use of the intellect is not something I have a problem with. Surely you read the post where I said that the pride that keeps one from admitting their need for a saviour is the pride that goes before a fall. I am very proud of my children when it is appropriate for me to be so, for example.
Good on you. Besides, there are countless other threads in which you could discuss this, such the "Ask a Christian philosopher" thread, which you abandoned. Or any of the other threads you started and abandoned. Take your pick.All of this is beside the point of the OP I think and as much as I would like to discuss this, I will refrain. I want to try and respect quatona and not derail this thread anymore than it had been already. This is more of an apologetics issue anyway.
Actually I couldn't. The thread you referenced is not in the apologetics forum, but the philosophy forum.Good on you. Besides, there are countless other threads in which you could discuss this, such the "Ask a Christian philosopher" thread, which you abandoned. Or any of the other threads you started and abandoned. Take your pick.
The thread I referenced is an apologetics thread.Actually I couldn't. The thread you referenced is not in the apologetics forum, but the philosophy forum.
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