The Great Wealth Transfer from the Wicked to the Righteous?

DennisTate · Feb 12, 2020

I could be wrong......... my wife can tell you that on many occasions I have demonstrated a level of discernment comparable to that of a flat tire but..........
she could tell you that I am kind of good at analogies..... (so good that people around me
try their best to NOT get me started)..... but anyway.............

I really, really, really feel that the Bible Dripping Oil Miracle is real and is a SIGN of the coming Great Wealth Transfer from the Wicked To the Righteous????

I do believe that the time of some sort of metaphorical Spoiling of Egypt is about to take place......... I don't really blame you for being somewhat offended by the way that this has been presented in the past but.......... A flawed messenger does not necessarily imply a one hundred percent inaccurate message?!

So.... background information to my theory and the poll question is here:

Is it OK for Jesus to cause a Bible to drip oil?

DennisTate · Feb 12, 2020

So.... I am thinking that the woman in debt is a metaphor of the Bride of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus .........
Her husband was murdered............
but the Holy Spirit was sent by her murdered husband so.............

2 Kings 4

Now there cried a certain woman of the wives of the sons of the prophets unto Elisha, saying, Thy servant my husband is dead; and thou knowest that thy servant did fear Jehovah: and the creditor is come to take unto him my two children to be bondmen.

2 And Elisha said unto her, What shall I do for thee? tell me; what hast thou in the house? And she said, Thy handmaid hath not anything in the house, save a pot of oil.

3 Then he said, Go, borrow thee vessels abroad of all thy neighbors, even empty vessels; borrow not a few.

4 And thou shalt go in, and shut the door upon thee and upon thy sons, and pour out into all those vessels; and thou shalt set aside that which is full.

5 So she went from him, and shut the door upon her and upon her sons; they brought [the vessels] to her, and she poured out.

6 And it came to pass, when the vessels were full, that she said unto her son, Bring me yet a vessel. And he said unto her, There is not a vessel more. And the oil stayed.

7 Then she came and told the man of God. And he said, Go, sell the oil, and pay thy debt, and live thou and thy sons of the rest.

In my opinion Pastor Johnny Taylor does one seriously deep sermon here! I am listening to it for the second time right now.

Curtis.Hilliker · Feb 12, 2020

I sowed into the Kingdom for quite a while, and these days I’m almost poor. I just don’t think God is all that interested in me having a lot for myself. When I did make good money, I really had a heart to give. So even if God is about to pour out a huge blessing for believers, I don’t think it would be for us to keep to ourselves. Just my thoughts anyway, have a good day!!!

OldWiseGuy · Feb 12, 2020

Curtis.Hilliker said:
I sowed into the Kingdom for quite a while, and these days I’m almost poor. I just don’t think God is all that interested in me having a lot for myself. When I did make good money, I really had a heart to give. So even if God is about to pour out a huge blessing for believers, I don’t think it would be for us to keep to ourselves. Just my thoughts anyway, have a good day!!!

Several principles are at work regarding money. One is trust that God will provide what you need regardless of your income. My church (God) kept me broke and poor for many years, but I never sent my kids 'to beg in the streets'. To me tithes and offerings were 'club dues'. If you are member you follow the rules. Sabbath keeping also hurt me financially as I had to find a job that accommodated Sabbaths and holy days.

God says to "cast your bread on the water and after many days it will return to you". This means you must have patience, and again trust.

Then you must be a good steward of what you do have. "Faithful in little, faithful in much". If then God blesses you with abundance he leaves it up to you be a good steward of it, having proven yourself.

I speak from personal experience. Everything has worked out better for me than I ever dreamed.

DennisTate · Feb 12, 2020

Curtis.Hilliker said:
I sowed into the Kingdom for quite a while, and these days I’m almost poor. I just don’t think God is all that interested in me having a lot for myself. When I did make good money, I really had a heart to give. So even if God is about to pour out a huge blessing for believers, I don’t think it would be for us to keep to ourselves. Just my thoughts anyway, have a good day!!!

This subject is actually huge and I am thinking that this discussion over on Conspiracy Theories is one important part of the whole formula.

Did President Lincoln's Greenback Monetary Policy save four billion dollars?

Dr. Kevin Zadai uses a joke rather often when he speaks about the parable of the rich young ruler.

Matthew 19

16 And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

22 But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions.

23 And Jesus said unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, It is hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 And when the disciples heard it, they were astonished exceedingly, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 And Jesus looking upon [them] said to them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

He jokes and says "sell all that you have and give to my ministry"..... but the clarifies and shows that that is not at all what Messiah Yeshua -Jesus said! This joke always gets a good laugh..... .because that is a funny comment that sure does tell us a lot about this time period...... because Prosperity Preachers did sure make a mess of things over these past four or five decades.

In my opinion Satan has done a good job of messing up the Bride of Messiah, even many of the most gifted sons that she has......... over money!

I've been putting a significant percentage of my tithes into my wife's informal ministry because I think of her as a Prophetic Evangelist with a Deliverance Ministry because she was somehow told by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to fast and pray for me for thirty five days...... and she did it! For three days per week for four weeks and then for seven days in a row for the fifth week....... she fasted drinking only fruit juices and Jesus got her up early and got her to pray for me while I was three thousand miles north, north east of her home city Quito, Ecuador.

I was basking in the most amazing Shalom and peace of mind as she prayed and fasted for me. I don't understand or comprehend much of what she does.... or how she hears Messiah Yeshua - Jesus so clearly so often..... but at least I can back up with much of my tithes.... because my wife is up there with some of the best...... in my opinion anyway....... (but OK... .I am somewhat biased)?!

When the twelve apostles left Jerusalem and received donations..... they did not have to travel all the way back to Jerusalem to give those donations to Cephas Peter to distribute.... they had to make a judgement call within a set of circumstances! In other words......... I believe that it is legitimate for you to use a part of your tithes to support your own online ministry....... if you wish to do so?!

DennisTate · Feb 12, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Several principles are at work regarding money. One is trust that God will provide what you need regardless of your income. My church (God) kept me broke and poor for many years, but I never sent my kids 'to beg in the streets'. To me tithes and offerings were 'club dues'. If you are member you follow the rules. Sabbath keeping also hurt me financially as I had to find a job that accommodated Sabbaths and holy days.

God says to "cast your bread on the water and after many days it will return to you". This means you must have patience, and again trust.

Then you must be a good steward of what you do have. "Faithful in little, faithful in much". If then God blesses you with abundance he leaves it up to you be a good steward of it, having proven yourself.

I speak from personal experience. Everything has worked out better for me than I ever dreamed.

Me too..... because I did not want to work from Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset or on the Jewish Holy Days I always just took menial jobs that allowed me more control over my schedule. Like you..... I consider my life to be heavenly.......... a true taste of heaven on earth...... I am in awe at how my life has been blessed through the amazing people that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus has put into my life.

OldWiseGuy · Feb 12, 2020

There is another wealth transfer occurring just beneath the radar, that is the wealth of the foolish flowing to the wise. Many complain about the wealth of the 1 percenter's, yet continue to buy their stuff (not to mention those high credit card fees that result from the purchase).

DennisTate · Feb 12, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
There is another wealth transfer occurring just beneath the radar, that is the wealth of the foolish flowing to the wise. Many complain about the wealth of the 1 percenter's, yet continue to buy their stuff (not to mention those high credit card fees that result from the purchase).

IF.... it is true that the Holy Spirit is being poured out...... and IF.... it is true that the Fear of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is about to be raised up by five to ten percent..... maybe even fifty percent..........
then an astonishing shift is about to occur!

The extremely wicked may well very soon begin to donate at record levels to various charities????? And.... other extremely wicked may have their vast wealth stripped from them as their victims do Class Action Lawsuits.

There actually could be something important in this opening post:

Satanism Ending

lismore · Feb 12, 2020

DennisTate said:
I do believe that the time of some sort of metaphorical Spoiling of Egypt is about to take place......

Hello DennisTate. The problem is that the spoiling of Egypt led to the spoiling of Israel. They would have been better throwing those spoils into the Nile! In the end they used the gold to build a golden calf, which they worshipped. Moses smashed it and ground it into a powder for them to drink the brew of their iniquities.

A transfer of wealth would be the last thing the church needs, few indeed would be able to handle it. Giving people what the sinful nature craves is popular but in the end does not lead anywhere good. Wealth will lead to your own personal golden calf and idol worship.

The church already is wealthy, but riddled with immorality and a lack of love for God and one another.

What we need is not more wealth, it's holiness. 'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God almighty, the whole earth is filled with his glory'. And sanctification. Sanctify us by your truth Lord, your word is truth.

God Bless

Gregory Thompson · Feb 12, 2020

DennisTate said:
I could be wrong......... my wife can tell you that on many occasions I have demonstrated a level of discernment comparable to that of a flat tire but..........
she could tell you that I am kind of good at analogies..... (so good that people around me
try their best to NOT get me started)..... but anyway.............

I really, really, really feel that the Bible Dripping Oil Miracle is real and is a SIGN of the coming Great Wealth Transfer from the Wicked To the Righteous????

I do believe that the time of some sort of metaphorical Spoiling of Egypt is about to take place......... I don't really blame you for being somewhat offended by the way that this has been presented in the past but.......... A flawed messenger does not necessarily imply a one hundred percent inaccurate message?!

So.... background information to my theory and the poll question is here:

Is it OK for Jesus to cause a Bible to drip oil?

Since Jesus said of earthly riches: What is pleasing in the eyes of man, is detestable in the eyes of God. The riches are in the eye of the beholder.

The transfer of wealth is related to when the meek inherit.

This is not a meek generation.

DennisTate · Feb 12, 2020

lismore said:
Hello DennisTate. The problem is that the spoiling of Egypt led to the spoiling of Israel. They would have been better throwing those spoils into the Nile! In the end they used the gold to build a golden calf, which they worshipped. Moses smashed it and ground it into a powder for them to drink the brew of their iniquities.

A transfer of wealth would be the last thing the church needs, few indeed would be able to handle it. Giving people what the sinful nature craves is popular but in the end does not lead anywhere good. Wealth will lead to your own personal golden calf and idol worship.

The church already is wealthy, but riddled with immorality and a lack of love for God and one another.

What we need is not more wealth, it's holiness. 'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God almighty, the whole earth is filled with his glory'. And sanctification. Sanctify us by your truth Lord, your word is truth.

God Bless

Two major positives though could be a massive decrease in the percentage of women choosing to have an abortion and....... the financing for the latter day outreach to all nations can largely come out of this as well.

Could a Basic Minimum Income for all Americans decrease abortions?

DennisTate · Feb 12, 2020

Michael Collum said:
Since Jesus said of earthly riches: What is pleasing in the eyes of man, is detestable in the eyes of God. The riches are in the eye of the beholder.

The transfer of wealth is related to when the meek inherit.

This is not a meek generation.

Although the vast majority of us are not at all meek yet.......
I am expecting a surge in Humility over the coming twenty years that will be astonishing.

Isaiah 2
verse 11
The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

This increase in real humility could have a dramatic effect on the way that Christianity is interpreted over the coming several decades.

The Great Tsunami | prod.morningstarministries.org

The biggest problem virtually every church will be facing is how to handle explosive growth. In the vision, I saw small churches of less than a hundred people adding a thousand new members a week at times. Of course, this happened on the Day of Pentecost, and then there were other days in which thousands came to Christ in a day. Even with a dozen apostles personally trained by the Lord, there was stress caused by this. Pressure points gave birth to new ministries such as the deacon. The infrastructure of church life that this produced is still the model that works, and we need to return to its effective simplicity to handle what is coming.

I saw churches that grew so large that they started renting football and soccer stadiums in which to hold their services. At times, hundreds of thousands would gather in parks and huge outdoor meetings just to hear Bible teachers to pray and to worship. Not only were whole cities coming to Christ, but also entire nations were coming so that the state itself became like a large church.

A few years ago I decided to watch the news for several hours a day for a week to determine what percentage of stories could be considered good news. During that time I did not see one good news story. They were all about problems, crises, disasters, and suffering. This was during the time of some of our greatest economic prosperity. Now it’s worse. However, change is coming. When this next wave hits, the news around the world is going to be dominated by good news.

We will see events like hundreds of thousands of people gathering spontaneously for prayer and worship, becoming the biggest news stories of the day. News teams will be following apostolic teams and evangelists like they do politicians and business leaders now. Much more is happening now than most are aware of, or that is making the news, but when the Lord “suddenly comes into His temple,” it will be the news, and the whole world will be aware of it.

There will be individual newscasts from secular networks that will cause more to come to Christ than Christian networks have in their entire existence. This is not to negate what has been accomplished by Christian networks but rather to stress the impact that this revival will have. We will go through a period when the news of the great things God is doing will crowd out just about all other news around the world.

Both the Welsh and the Azusa Street Revivals made front-page news around the world repeatedly for nearly two years. That was just a foretaste, a seed being planted for what is to come. The coming move of God will in some ways be a composite of many of the great moves of the past, but in one basic way it will be different—this will not just be a move of God, but it will be God moving.

lismore · Feb 12, 2020

DennisTate said:
Two major positives though could be a massive decrease in the percentage of women choosing to have an abortion and....... the financing for the latter day outreach to all nations can largely come out of this as well.

Could a Basic Minimum Income for all Americans decrease abortions?

Hello Dennis. If a massive transfer of wealth came to 'the church', it would soon flocculate into the hands of a few. The church is not a poor organisation today. Denominations with billions of dollars in 'art' treasures or Televangelists with a fleet of private jets. The issue is not a lack of wealth, the issue is a lack of holiness! God Bless

Curtis.Hilliker · Feb 12, 2020

lismore said:
Hello Dennis. If a massive transfer of wealth came to 'the church', it would soon flocculate into the hands of a few. The church is not a poor organisation today. Denominations with billions of dollars in 'art' treasures or Televangelists with a fleet of private jets. The issue is not a lack of wealth, the issue is a lack of holiness! God Bless

Would it be nice if say the multi million dollar leaders gave back to the church members? I sure wouldn’t mind it lol.

DennisTate · Feb 12, 2020

lismore said:
Hello Dennis. If a massive transfer of wealth came to 'the church', it would soon flocculate into the hands of a few. The church is not a poor organisation today. Denominations with billions of dollars in 'art' treasures or Televangelists with a fleet of private jets. The issue is not a lack of wealth, the issue is a lack of holiness! God Bless

When the level of Fear of God greatly, greatly increases in the earth...... this will happen!

It will actually become a fairly common thing.... but over these next twenty years as the implications of some negative near death experience accounts becomes obvious.................... to a Bride of Messiah that begins to be much less disunited............. then the Fear of God will transform the world economy.

Curtis.Hilliker said:
Would it be nice if say the multi million dollar leaders gave back to the church members? I sure wouldn’t mind it lol.

IF... the Bride of Messiah the church who is led by the Holy Spirit would become somewhat more united..... and less divided over denominationalism they WILL begin to give Mrs. Marilyn Braxton much more credit for the way in which she prayed.......... because obviously I could learn a LOT from her in spite of the fact that I thought I had been taught by the best of the best of the best by being trained by Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong and local pastors approved by him as I began to attend church regularly one hundred and fifty miles from home back in 1979. (Technically by his dad Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong but you know what I mean).

Did Mrs. Marilyn Braxton pray in an especially effective manner?

But the Fear of God will really come on the churches when they are united around general support for the shocking testimony of former Skeptic Howard Storm:

Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

1. An Invitation to Hell from Strange Beings
..............
While I was undergoing this stress, prayer or anything like that never occurred to me. I never once thought about it. If I mentioned God's name at all it was only as a profanity. For a time there was a sense of being unconscious or asleep. I'm not sure how long it lasted, but I felt really strange, and I opened my eyes. To my surprise I was standing up next to the bed, and I was looking at my body laying in the bed. My first reaction was, "This is crazy! I can't be standing here looking down at myself. That's not possible."

This wasn't what I expected, this wasn't right. Why was I still alive? I wanted oblivion. Yet I was looking at a thing that was my body, and it just didn't have that much meaning to me. Now knowing what was happening, I became upset. I started yelling and screaming at my wife, and she just sat there like a stone. She didn't look at me, she didn't move – and I kept screaming profanities to get her to pay attention. Being confused, upset, and angry, I tried to get the attention of my room-mate, with the same result. He didn't react. I wanted this to be a dream, and I kept saying to myself, "This has got to be a dream."

But I knew that it wasn't a dream. I became aware that strangely I felt more alert, more aware, more alive than I had ever felt in my entire life. All my senses were extremely acute. Everything felt tingly and alive. The floor was cool and my bare feet felt moist and clammy. This had to be real. I squeezed my fists and was amazed at how much I was feeling in my hands just by making a fist. Then I heard my name. I heard, "Howard, Howard - come here."

Wondering, at first, where it was coming from, I discovered that it was originating in the doorway. There were different voices calling me. I asked who they were, and they said, "We are here to take care of you. We will fix you up. Come with us."

Asking, again, who they were, I asked them if they were doctors and nurses. They responded, "Quick, come see. You'll find out."

As I asked them questions they gave evasive answers. They kept giving me a sense of urgency, insisting that I should step through the doorway. With some reluctance I stepped into the hallway, and in the hallway I was in a fog, or a haze. It was a light-colored haze. It wasn't a heavy haze. I could see my hand, for example, but the people who were calling me were 15 or 20 feet ahead, and I couldn't see them clearly. They were more like silhouettes, or shapes, and as I moved toward them they backed off into the haze. As I tried to get close to them to identify them, they quickly withdrew deeper into the fog. So I had to follow into the fog deeper and deeper. These strange beings kept urging me to come with them.

I repeatedly asked them where we were going, and they responded, "Hurry up, you'll find out."

For very, very, very good reason..... Mr. Howard Storm does not even want to talk about all that he experienced during the negative part of his near death experience.

SkyWriting · Feb 12, 2020

DennisTate said:
I really, really, really feel that the Bible Dripping Oil Miracle is real and is a SIGN of the coming Great Wealth Transfer from the Wicked To the Righteous?

Yes, it's real. If you store your bible in a tank of oil, you can squeeze the oil back out anytime you want.

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I'm guessing it's mineral Oil and not stanky fish oil or petroleum?
Used mineral oil has very low resale value on the open market.

DennisTate · Feb 12, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Yes, it's real. If you store your bible in a tank of oil, you can squeeze the oil back out anytime you want.

SkyWriting said:
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I'm guessing it's mineral Oil and not stanky fish oil or petroleum?
Used mineral oil has very low resale value on the open market.

Thank you for your humour...... it really does liven up a discussion and assists in a discussion ending up "Featured"...... but please be careful my friend? The people who have been entrusted with that flowing oil Bible do not have to prove anything......... . each of us Christians must have a personal relationship with our Messiah that is at a level where we can ask about a phenomena........ and be shown which side of the force it is from!!!

Hebrews 3

For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

John 10
3

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

hn 10:27

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Gregory Thompson · Feb 13, 2020

DennisTate said:
Although the vast majority of us are not at all meek yet.......
I am expecting a surge in Humility over the coming twenty years that will be astonishing.

Isaiah 2
verse 11
The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

This increase in real humility could have a dramatic effect on the way that Christianity is interpreted over the coming several decades.

The Great Tsunami | prod.morningstarministries.org

Yes, the comparison between the greek poetic saying and the actual scripture passage about "theirs is the kingdom of heaven" seems to imply a nullifying of those who inherit.

I agree when God acts to humble His people, it just happens and no one can stop it. However, I was expecting more along the lines of 2 centuries instead of 2 decades.

God could do it in 2 minutes if He wanted to though, (Re: Ephesians 3:20) so .. whatever happens, as long as it is of God, the fruit will follow. (Galatians 5:22-23)

DennisTate · Feb 13, 2020

Michael Collum said:
Yes, the comparison between the greek poetic saying and the actual scripture passage about "theirs is the kingdom of heaven" seems to imply a nullifying of those who inherit.

I agree when God acts to humble His people, it just happens and no one can stop it. However, I was expecting more along the lines of 2 centuries instead of 2 decades.

God could do it in 2 minutes if He wanted to though, (Re: Ephesians 3:20) so .. whatever happens, as long as it is of God, the fruit will follow. (Galatians 5:22-23)

You are onto something important about this taking two centuries..... actually that is the number that was given to near death experiencer Howard Storm.... perhaps I am being both impatient as well as naive to expect a truly massive shift over these next two decades?????

Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

Howard Storm's light being friends told him more about the new world to come. According to them, God wished to usher in the kingdom within the next two hundred years. In order to do so, God had rescinded some of the free will given to creatures, in favor of more divine control over human events. This new world order, according to Howard, will resemble some near-death descriptions of heaven. People will live in such peace and harmony and love that communication will be telepathic, travel instantaneous and the need for clothing and shelter eliminated. The lion will indeed lie down with the lamb.

Here is an impressive young Christian couple who did go to Dalton, Georgia and visited the Bible Store where Pastor Jerry Pearce and Pastor Johnny Taylor give away the oil and pray for people. I agree with their analysis of the whole experience.

DennisTate · Feb 13, 2020

Deuteronomy 15

4 Howbeit there shall be no poor with thee; (for Jehovah will surely bless thee in the land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it 5 if only thou diligently hearken unto the voice of Jehovah thy God, to observe to do all this commandment which I command thee this day.

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A money making heresy of the Prosperity Movement.

Hinted at by the Spoiling of Egypt by Israel led by Moses.

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