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Featured The Great Wealth Transfer from the Wicked to the Righteous?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by DennisTate, Feb 12, 2020.

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  3. Literal and true

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  5. A money making heresy of the Prosperity Movement.

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  6. Hinted at by the Spoiling of Egypt by Israel led by Moses.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Newbie Supporter

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    I could be wrong......... my wife can tell you that on many occasions I have demonstrated a level of discernment comparable to that of a flat tire but..........
    she could tell you that I am kind of good at analogies..... (so good that people around me
    try their best to NOT get me started)..... but anyway.............

    I really, really, really feel that the Bible Dripping Oil Miracle is real and is a SIGN of the coming Great Wealth Transfer from the Wicked To the Righteous????

    I do believe that the time of some sort of metaphorical Spoiling of Egypt is about to take place......... I don't really blame you for being somewhat offended by the way that this has been presented in the past but.......... A flawed messenger does not necessarily imply a one hundred percent inaccurate message?!

    So.... background information to my theory and the poll question is here:

    Is it OK for Jesus to cause a Bible to drip oil?
     
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  3. Curtis.Hilliker

    Curtis.Hilliker Now what.......

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    I sowed into the Kingdom for quite a while, and these days I’m almost poor. I just don’t think God is all that interested in me having a lot for myself. When I did make good money, I really had a heart to give. So even if God is about to pour out a huge blessing for believers, I don’t think it would be for us to keep to ourselves. Just my thoughts anyway, have a good day!!!
     
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  4. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Several principles are at work regarding money. One is trust that God will provide what you need regardless of your income. My church (God) kept me broke and poor for many years, but I never sent my kids 'to beg in the streets'. To me tithes and offerings were 'club dues'. If you are member you follow the rules. Sabbath keeping also hurt me financially as I had to find a job that accommodated Sabbaths and holy days.

    God says to "cast your bread on the water and after many days it will return to you". This means you must have patience, and again trust.


    Then you must be a good steward of what you do have. "Faithful in little, faithful in much". If then God blesses you with abundance he leaves it up to you be a good steward of it, having proven yourself.

    I speak from personal experience. Everything has worked out better for me than I ever dreamed. :bow:
     
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  5. DennisTate

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    This subject is actually huge and I am thinking that this discussion over on Conspiracy Theories is one important part of the whole formula.

    Did President Lincoln's Greenback Monetary Policy save four billion dollars?


    Dr. Kevin Zadai uses a joke rather often when he speaks about the parable of the rich young ruler.

    Matthew 19

    16 And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

    17 And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.

    18 He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

    20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet?

    21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

    22 But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions.

    23 And Jesus said unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, It is hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

    25 And when the disciples heard it, they were astonished exceedingly, saying, Who then can be saved?

    26 And Jesus looking upon [them] said to them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

    He jokes and says "sell all that you have and give to my ministry"..... but the clarifies and shows that that is not at all what Messiah Yeshua -Jesus said! This joke always gets a good laugh..... .because that is a funny comment that sure does tell us a lot about this time period...... because Prosperity Preachers did sure make a mess of things over these past four or five decades.

    In my opinion Satan has done a good job of messing up the Bride of Messiah, even many of the most gifted sons that she has......... over money!

    I've been putting a significant percentage of my tithes into my wife's informal ministry because I think of her as a Prophetic Evangelist with a Deliverance Ministry because she was somehow told by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to fast and pray for me for thirty five days...... and she did it! For three days per week for four weeks and then for seven days in a row for the fifth week....... she fasted drinking only fruit juices and Jesus got her up early and got her to pray for me while I was three thousand miles north, north east of her home city Quito, Ecuador.

    I was basking in the most amazing Shalom and peace of mind as she prayed and fasted for me. I don't understand or comprehend much of what she does.... or how she hears Messiah Yeshua - Jesus so clearly so often..... but at least I can back up with much of my tithes.... because my wife is up there with some of the best...... in my opinion anyway....... (but OK... .I am somewhat biased)?!

    When the twelve apostles left Jerusalem and received donations..... they did not have to travel all the way back to Jerusalem to give those donations to Cephas Peter to distribute.... they had to make a judgement call within a set of circumstances! In other words......... I believe that it is legitimate for you to use a part of your tithes to support your own online ministry....... if you wish to do so?!
     
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    Me too..... because I did not want to work from Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset or on the Jewish Holy Days I always just took menial jobs that allowed me more control over my schedule. Like you..... I consider my life to be heavenly.......... a true taste of heaven on earth...... I am in awe at how my life has been blessed through the amazing people that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus has put into my life.
     
  7. OldWiseGuy

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    There is another wealth transfer occurring just beneath the radar, that is the wealth of the foolish flowing to the wise. Many complain about the wealth of the 1 percenter's, yet continue to buy their stuff (not to mention those high credit card fees that result from the purchase).
     
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  8. DennisTate

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    IF.... it is true that the Holy Spirit is being poured out...... and IF.... it is true that the Fear of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is about to be raised up by five to ten percent..... maybe even fifty percent..........
    then an astonishing shift is about to occur!

    The extremely wicked may well very soon begin to donate at record levels to various charities????? And.... other extremely wicked may have their vast wealth stripped from them as their victims do Class Action Lawsuits.

    There actually could be something important in this opening post:

    Satanism Ending
     
  9. lismore

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    Hello DennisTate. The problem is that the spoiling of Egypt led to the spoiling of Israel. They would have been better throwing those spoils into the Nile! In the end they used the gold to build a golden calf, which they worshipped. Moses smashed it and ground it into a powder for them to drink the brew of their iniquities.

    A transfer of wealth would be the last thing the church needs, few indeed would be able to handle it. Giving people what the sinful nature craves is popular but in the end does not lead anywhere good. Wealth will lead to your own personal golden calf and idol worship.

    The church already is wealthy, but riddled with immorality and a lack of love for God and one another.

    What we need is not more wealth, it's holiness. 'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God almighty, the whole earth is filled with his glory'. And sanctification. Sanctify us by your truth Lord, your word is truth.

    God Bless :)
     
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  10. Michael Collum

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    Since Jesus said of earthly riches: What is pleasing in the eyes of man, is detestable in the eyes of God. The riches are in the eye of the beholder.

    The transfer of wealth is related to when the meek inherit.

    This is not a meek generation.
     
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    Two major positives though could be a massive decrease in the percentage of women choosing to have an abortion and....... the financing for the latter day outreach to all nations can largely come out of this as well.

    Could a Basic Minimum Income for all Americans decrease abortions?
     
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    Although the vast majority of us are not at all meek yet.......
    I am expecting a surge in Humility over the coming twenty years that will be astonishing.


    Isaiah 2
    verse 11
    The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
    For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:



    This increase in real humility could have a dramatic effect on the way that Christianity is interpreted over the coming several decades.

    The Great Tsunami | prod.morningstarministries.org

     
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    Hello Dennis. If a massive transfer of wealth came to 'the church', it would soon flocculate into the hands of a few. The church is not a poor organisation today. Denominations with billions of dollars in 'art' treasures or Televangelists with a fleet of private jets. The issue is not a lack of wealth, the issue is a lack of holiness! God Bless :)
     
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  14. Curtis.Hilliker

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    Would it be nice if say the multi million dollar leaders gave back to the church members? I sure wouldn’t mind it lol.
     
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  15. DennisTate

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    When the level of Fear of God greatly, greatly increases in the earth...... this will happen!

    It will actually become a fairly common thing.... but over these next twenty years as the implications of some negative near death experience accounts becomes obvious.................... to a Bride of Messiah that begins to be much less disunited............. then the Fear of God will transform the world economy.

    IF... the Bride of Messiah the church who is led by the Holy Spirit would become somewhat more united..... and less divided over denominationalism they WILL begin to give Mrs. Marilyn Braxton much more credit for the way in which she prayed.......... because obviously I could learn a LOT from her in spite of the fact that I thought I had been taught by the best of the best of the best by being trained by Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong and local pastors approved by him as I began to attend church regularly one hundred and fifty miles from home back in 1979. (Technically by his dad Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong but you know what I mean).

    Did Mrs. Marilyn Braxton pray in an especially effective manner?

    But the Fear of God will really come on the churches when they are united around general support for the shocking testimony of former Skeptic Howard Storm:

    Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

    Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

    For very, very, very good reason..... Mr. Howard Storm does not even want to talk about all that he experienced during the negative part of his near death experience.

     
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    Yes, it's real. If you store your bible in a tank of oil, you can squeeze the oil back out anytime you want.

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    I'm guessing it's mineral Oil and not stanky fish oil or petroleum?
    Used mineral oil has very low resale value on the open market.
     
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    Thank you for your humour...... it really does liven up a discussion and assists in a discussion ending up "Featured"...... but please be careful my friend? The people who have been entrusted with that flowing oil Bible do not have to prove anything......... . each of us Christians must have a personal relationship with our Messiah that is at a level where we can ask about a phenomena........ and be shown which side of the force it is from!!!

    Hebrews 3

    For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

    While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

    For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

    But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

    And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

    So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

    John 10

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    To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

    4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

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    And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    hn 10:27

    My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
     
  18. Michael Collum

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    Yes, the comparison between the greek poetic saying and the actual scripture passage about "theirs is the kingdom of heaven" seems to imply a nullifying of those who inherit.

    I agree when God acts to humble His people, it just happens and no one can stop it. However, I was expecting more along the lines of 2 centuries instead of 2 decades.

    God could do it in 2 minutes if He wanted to though, (Re: Ephesians 3:20) so .. whatever happens, as long as it is of God, the fruit will follow. (Galatians 5:22-23)
     
  19. DennisTate

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    You are onto something important about this taking two centuries..... actually that is the number that was given to near death experiencer Howard Storm.... perhaps I am being both impatient as well as naive to expect a truly massive shift over these next two decades?????

    Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience


    Here is an impressive young Christian couple who did go to Dalton, Georgia and visited the Bible Store where Pastor Jerry Pearce and Pastor Johnny Taylor give away the oil and pray for people. I agree with their analysis of the whole experience.

     
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