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The Grave and the Debates

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Polycarp1

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My wife and I went for groceries the other day. We live in a rural crossroads community a bit more than five miles from the nearest substantial town, and we grocery-shop at a supermarket in town, picking up a few essentials in between shopping trips at the surviving general store here. It's a nice mix of new and old.

About a mile this side of town is a small cemetery, one of those rural extended-family plots you see from time to time. It's not the newest grave there -- that belongs to a lovely old woman who passed on at age 89 -- but the one that catches my heartstrings was filled the year after we moved down here.

He'd be 19 now, in college or starting a job. He died at 12, hanging himself in his garage. Nobody ever went public with why, but the grapevine filled that in. He was in middle school, and was branded gay by his classmates, who picked on him until he took his own life. The school officials, of course, were ponderously unhelpful.

Was he gay? I don't know. In one sense, I don't care. What he was, was a kid driven to despair by taunts from his classmates, to the point that he killed himself. It was a tragic waste of a vibrant young life. He played french horn and baseball.

When I see that grave, I pray that people will repent. Not repent of being gay -- evidence indicates that that is unchosen, and without direct divine intervention, one is unable to change it by oneself (or by any manmade therapy).

No, I pray that they will repent of being the adult versions of those 12-year-olds who drove their classmate to kill himself.

I pray that they will learn and listen, show compassion and human understanding, whatever their views on homosexuality, they will treat other human beings as our Lord and Savior commanded us to do.

You want to drag out the Scriptures about abomination? What is abomination to me, though I don't have a scripture prooftext for it, is being so hateful to your fellow man that he or she despairs and kills him/herself.

Thus ends my message.
 
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My wife and I went for groceries the other day. We live in a rural crossroads community a bit more than five miles from the nearest substantial town, and we grocery-shop at a supermarket in town, picking up a few essentials in between shopping trips at the surviving general store here. It's a nice mix of new and old.

About a mile this side of town is a small cemetery, one of those rural extended-family plots you see from time to time. It's not the newest grave there -- that belongs to a lovely old woman who passed on at age 89 -- but the one that catches my heartstrings was filled the year after we moved down here.

He'd be 19 now, in college or starting a job. He died at 12, hanging himself in his garage. Nobody ever went public with why, but the grapevine filled that in. He was in middle school, and was branded gay by his classmates, who picked on him until he took his own life. The school officials, of course, were ponderously unhelpful.

Was he gay? I don't know. In one sense, I don't care. What he was, was a kid driven to despair by taunts from his classmates, to the point that he killed himself. It was a tragic waste of a vibrant young life. He played french horn and baseball.

When I see that grave, I pray that people will repent. Not repent of being gay -- evidence indicates that that is unchosen, and without direct divine intervention, one is unable to change it by oneself (or by any manmade therapy).

No, I pray that they will repent of being the adult versions of those 12-year-olds who drove their classmate to kill himself.

I pray that they will learn and listen, show compassion and human understanding, whatever their views on homosexuality, they will treat other human beings as our Lord and Savior commanded us to do.

You want to drag out the Scriptures about abomination? What is abomination to me, though I don't have a scripture prooftext for it, is being so hateful to your fellow man that he or she despairs and kills him/herself.

Thus ends my message.
Great post. Thank you for sharing this sad story and your thoughtful response to it.
 
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Thing is -- the people who really need to read this are likely going to do one of two things:

They'll read the story and think, "Well, what of it? If he was gay, it would have been better had he not been born; and since he's a homo, he's going to Hell, anyway."

or they'll think, "Well, how does this apply to me? He wouldn't have had this problem if he'd simply chosen not to be gay, so he brought his troubles on himself. I didn't do a thing, so this story doesn't affect me."

I have concluded that there are people who visit this forum who are simply not reachable.
 
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My wife and I went for groceries the other day. We live in a rural crossroads community a bit more than five miles from the nearest substantial town, and we grocery-shop at a supermarket in town, picking up a few essentials in between shopping trips at the surviving general store here. It's a nice mix of new and old.

About a mile this side of town is a small cemetery, one of those rural extended-family plots you see from time to time. It's not the newest grave there -- that belongs to a lovely old woman who passed on at age 89 -- but the one that catches my heartstrings was filled the year after we moved down here.

He'd be 19 now, in college or starting a job. He died at 12, hanging himself in his garage. Nobody ever went public with why, but the grapevine filled that in. He was in middle school, and was branded gay by his classmates, who picked on him until he took his own life. The school officials, of course, were ponderously unhelpful.

Was he gay? I don't know. In one sense, I don't care. What he was, was a kid driven to despair by taunts from his classmates, to the point that he killed himself. It was a tragic waste of a vibrant young life. He played french horn and baseball.

When I see that grave, I pray that people will repent. Not repent of being gay -- evidence indicates that that is unchosen, and without direct divine intervention, one is unable to change it by oneself (or by any manmade therapy).

No, I pray that they will repent of being the adult versions of those 12-year-olds who drove their classmate to kill himself.

I pray that they will learn and listen, show compassion and human understanding, whatever their views on homosexuality, they will treat other human beings as our Lord and Savior commanded us to do.

You want to drag out the Scriptures about abomination? What is abomination to me, though I don't have a scripture prooftext for it, is being so hateful to your fellow man that he or she despairs and kills him/herself.

Thus ends my message.

Kids are often times much worse than adults. And what is a 12 year old supposed to do in this type of situation? You tell the parents and the kid probably has no idea about how they are gonna respond. Same with the teachers.

This is why parents, no matter what, have to let their kids know that they can come talk to them no matter what.
 
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Kids are often times much worse than adults. And what is a 12 year old supposed to do in this type of situation? You tell the parents and the kid probably has no idea about how they are gonna respond. Same with the teachers.

This is why parents, no matter what, have to let their kids know that they can come talk to them no matter what.
No. it is the adults how are worse.

Where do the kids learn that hatred of homosexuals is a good thing? adults
Adults use the bible to justify bigotry kids don’t
Adults misuse religion to further their hatred of gays and lesbians
Adults lie about homosexuals not kids

The death of the young man in the OP is just one example of what is harvested when Christians sow hatred and bigotry
 
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...for the very same reason that 12 year old did.

No amount of praying, or therapy, or Bible-reading, or church-going would take away my homosexuality (I know the fundamentalist Christian politically-correct term is "same sex attraction", but I call fundamentalists "fundamentalists" because that's what they are; and I call homosexuals "homosexuals" because that's what we are, and I've never had much use for any form of "political correctness") would take it away.

So, I put a plastic bag over my head, stood on a chair, made a noose nailed it to the top of a door, and jumped.

Well, now I'm 53 -- and gay.

My question to you: would you prefer that the rope had not broken? Be honest.
 
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